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Just HOURS After Debate Wikileaks Hits Hillary With Hardest Blow Yet.(Pay for Play Email)
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raykeller
2016-10-20 21:10:24 UTC
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Just HOURS After Debate Wikileaks Hits Hillary With Hardest Blow Yet.(Pay
for Play Email)
Young Consevatives ^ | 20 Oct 16 | Andrew Mark Miller

Posted on 10/20/2016, 9:42:41 AM by xzins

See Email at Post #1

Hillary Clinton engaged in pay for play at the State Dept.

No rational person can really argue that at this point.

A lot of people have been waiting for a "smoking gun" to be revealed by
WikiLeaks.

Even though that's completely unnecessary. We know enough to know she did
something really bad.

But WikiLeaks may have just provided that smoking gun anyway.

Check it out.

BOMBSHELL: #Hillary's assistant Huma admits to $12 million #PayForPay with
Morocco! #ClintonFoundation #Wikileaks https://t.co/MVmpcvGGui
pic.twitter.com/YSh6gwQ66P

- Trump Super PAC (@TrumpSuperPAC) October 20, 2016

From Twitchy:

The 13th batch of John Podesta's hacked emails from WikiLeaks is out and
this one caught our eye. Maybe Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin, Robby Mook and
the Clinton Global Initiative can tell us more about this $12 million
donation in exchange for a meeting with Hillary Clinton?

Will the media pick up on this? We will have to wait and see.

WikiLeaks has been a complete disaster for Democrats.

On a daily basis, the world is getting a glimpse into the chaotic and
deceitful world of the Democrat Party.

During the debate, WikiLeaks posted a tweet that had a lot of people
talking.

Did you catch it?

#Clinton once again confirmed the authenticity of our documents with her
response to #WikiLeaks question. https://t.co/pjX9tmfINt #debate

- WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) October 20, 2016

Nailed it.

That's what's so interesting about this whole situation.

Democrats aren't saying the information is wrong or fake.

They acknowledge it's real every day by talking about it.

All they do is complain about how Russia is trying to "influence" the
election.

Yeah, technically, exposing dirty laundry about Democrats "influences" an
election.

That isn't the worst thing in the world. Yes, espionage is bad. But take it
up with Russia.

You know, that country that Obama has done such a great job dealing with.



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Jim Wilkins
2016-10-20 22:26:10 UTC
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"raykeller"
Post by raykeller
Just HOURS After Debate Wikileaks Hits Hillary With Hardest Blow
Yet.(Pay for Play Email)
Young Consevatives ^ | 20 Oct 16 | Andrew Mark Miller
Posted on 10/20/2016, 9:42:41 AM by xzins
See Email at Post #1
Hillary Clinton engaged in pay for play at the State Dept.
No rational person can really argue that at this point.
A lot of people have been waiting for a "smoking gun" to be revealed
by WikiLeaks.
Even though that's completely unnecessary. We know enough to know
she did something really bad.
But WikiLeaks may have just provided that smoking gun anyway.
Check it out.
BOMBSHELL: #Hillary's assistant Huma admits to $12 million
#PayForPay with Morocco! #ClintonFoundation #Wikileaks
https://t.co/MVmpcvGGui pic.twitter.com/YSh6gwQ66P
The 13th batch of John Podesta's hacked emails from WikiLeaks is out
and this one caught our eye. Maybe Hillary Clinton, Huma Abedin,
Robby Mook and the Clinton Global Initiative can tell us more about
this $12 million donation in exchange for a meeting with Hillary
Clinton?
Will the media pick up on this? We will have to wait and see.
WikiLeaks has been a complete disaster for Democrats.
On a daily basis, the world is getting a glimpse into the chaotic
and deceitful world of the Democrat Party.
During the debate, WikiLeaks posted a tweet that had a lot of people
talking.
Did you catch it?
#Clinton once again confirmed the authenticity of our documents with
her response to #WikiLeaks question. https://t.co/pjX9tmfINt #debate
Nailed it.
That's what's so interesting about this whole situation.
Democrats aren't saying the information is wrong or fake.
They acknowledge it's real every day by talking about it.
All they do is complain about how Russia is trying to "influence"
the election.
Yeah, technically, exposing dirty laundry about Democrats
"influences" an election.
That isn't the worst thing in the world. Yes, espionage is bad. But
take it up with Russia.
You know, that country that Obama has done such a great job dealing with.
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_security

Sloppy German cryptographic procedure contributed very significantly
to the Allied victory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma
"Good operating procedures, properly enforced, would have made the
cipher unbreakable. However, most of the German armed and secret
services and civilian agencies that used Enigma employed poor
procedures and it was these poor operating procedures that allowed the
Enigma machines to be reverse engineered and the ciphers to be read."

Likewise our ability to read Japanese secret codes cost them the loss
of four of their six large aircraft carriers and halted their advance.

--Bn[0Wc3n2
rbowman
2016-10-21 02:53:15 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Loose lips sink administrations...
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-21 03:25:41 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Loose lips sink administrations...
I am glad you didn't say ships...It seems our newest ships are not
operational long enough to be sunk! Out of 5 LCS ships 2 Commanding
officers have already been fired for the ships breaking down.
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
rbowman
2016-10-21 14:09:56 UTC
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Post by PaxPerPoten
I am glad you didn't say ships...It seems our newest ships are not
operational long enough to be sunk! Out of 5 LCS ships 2 Commanding
officers have already been fired for the ships breaking down.
Hey, the Navy can't have better toys than the Air Force. The Marines are
saying they have their F-16's when they pry them from their cold, dead
fingers. The Marines always were fond of toys that actually work.

The LCS programs was great. They couldn't make up their minds on the
competing designs so they have two different non-working versions.
Jim Wilkins
2016-10-21 15:30:46 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by PaxPerPoten
I am glad you didn't say ships...It seems our newest ships are not
operational long enough to be sunk! Out of 5 LCS ships 2 Commanding
officers have already been fired for the ships breaking down.
Hey, the Navy can't have better toys than the Air Force. The Marines
are saying they have their F-16's when they pry them from their
cold, dead fingers. The Marines always were fond of toys that
actually work.
The LCS programs was great. They couldn't make up their minds on the
competing designs so they have two different non-working versions.
There is a long international history of advanced warships not working
as well as the planners had hoped:
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/battlecruisers-the-glass-jawed-warship-failed-13828

https://warisboring.com/your-aircraft-carrier-is-a-piece-of-crap-f3f52d299588#.c7q6weqtb

http://uboat.net/types/walter_hist.htm
Their main effect was to deny the jet engine program the refractory
metals needed for turbine blades.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=215733

After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
http://www.petemesley.com/lust4rust/wreck-trips/bikini-atoll/wrecks/prinz-eugen.php

--jsw
news16
2016-10-22 03:27:51 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new US
aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane, Australia
on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm blocking the
cooling water inlet pipes.
rbowman
2016-10-22 16:32:06 UTC
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Post by news16
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new US
aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane, Australia
on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm blocking the
cooling water inlet pipes.
Those were Chinese jellyfish...
Rudy Canoza
2016-10-22 19:41:08 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new US
aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun
No such ship.
Governor Swill
2016-10-26 15:00:19 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new US
aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane, Australia
on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm blocking the
cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>

Swill
--
Trump/Pence 2016
Make sexual assault great again!

#imwithher #strongertogether

Hillary ought to be arrested for assault.
'Cause she kicked Trump's ass tonight.
news16
2016-10-27 00:42:24 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new
US aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane,
Australia on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm
blocking the cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-
rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-
Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>

The news on the wake up radio was that Spain has asked the Russians where
the fleet is going. Apparently the russians have asked for fuel and the
Spanish do not want to give fuel to ships who are going to shell Syrian
civilians. So the Russians have to look elsewhere atm.
bFNcV░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░CCDJn
2016-10-27 01:12:08 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new
US aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane,
Australia on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm
blocking the cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-
rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-
Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
The news on the wake up radio was that Spain has asked the Russians where
the fleet is going. Apparently the russians have asked for fuel and the
Spanish do not want to give fuel to ships who are going to shell Syrian
civilians. So the Russians have to look elsewhere atm.
Russia doesn't need aircraft carrier. Their new bear-bomber can fly
sorties directly from Russia to Syria and back.

Long-range bombers flying from Russia destroy ‘major’ ISIS camp in
central Syria
<https://www.rt.com/news/350784-russian-bombers-syria-isis/>

They can do it from Iran too:
<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-iran-idUSKCN10S0VB>
Martin Eastburn
2016-10-27 03:13:17 UTC
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But the bear is slow and expensive. The tactical fighters are on
that rust bucket.

I'm surprised the Rainbow Warrior didn't crash into it for the pollution
! Maybe that is due later.

Martin
Post by bFNcV░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░CCDJn
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new
US aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane,
Australia on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm
blocking the cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-
rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-
Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
The news on the wake up radio was that Spain has asked the Russians where
the fleet is going. Apparently the russians have asked for fuel and the
Spanish do not want to give fuel to ships who are going to shell Syrian
civilians. So the Russians have to look elsewhere atm.
Russia doesn't need aircraft carrier. Their new bear-bomber can fly
sorties directly from Russia to Syria and back.
Long-range bombers flying from Russia destroy ‘major’ ISIS camp in
central Syria
<https://www.rt.com/news/350784-russian-bombers-syria-isis/>
<http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-iran-idUSKCN10S0VB>
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-27 03:11:26 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new
US aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane,
Australia on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm
blocking the cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-
rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-
Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
The news on the wake up radio was that Spain has asked the Russians where
the fleet is going. Apparently the russians have asked for fuel and the
Spanish do not want to give fuel to ships who are going to shell Syrian
civilians. So the Russians have to look elsewhere atm.
Actually Obama asked NATO to intervene and stop any refueling efforts of
the Russians. That can be found on Military.com. Fuck head Obama made
the mess and now refuses to let Russia clean it up. I wonder if
Obama may end up with a plutonium cup of Tea.
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Martin Eastburn
2016-10-28 02:44:25 UTC
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Maybe the warships are headed to take over another country! Big buildup
on the ground. Something is going to have to be done
or the Bear will take over Eastern Europe. And threaten WWIII.

Martin
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new
US aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane,
Australia on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm
blocking the cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-
rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-
Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
The news on the wake up radio was that Spain has asked the Russians where
the fleet is going. Apparently the russians have asked for fuel and the
Spanish do not want to give fuel to ships who are going to shell Syrian
civilians. So the Russians have to look elsewhere atm.
Actually Obama asked NATO to intervene and stop any refueling efforts of
the Russians. That can be found on Military.com. Fuck head Obama made
the mess and now refuses to let Russia clean it up. I wonder if
Obama may end up with a plutonium cup of Tea.
news16
2016-10-28 03:37:17 UTC
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Post by Martin Eastburn
Maybe the warships are headed to take over another country! Big buildup
on the ground. Something is going to have to be done or the Bear will
take over Eastern Europe. And threaten WWIII.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/10/some-hacked-e-mails-documents-
from-putin-advisor-confirmed-as-genuine/
Governor Swill
2016-10-30 02:00:26 UTC
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Post by Martin Eastburn
Maybe the warships are headed to take over another country! Big buildup
on the ground. Something is going to have to be done or the Bear will
take over Eastern Europe. And threaten WWIII.
PANIC!!! RUN!!! DIG A TUNNEL!!!! HIDE!!!! YAWN!!!!
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/10/some-hacked-e-mails-documents-from-putin-advisor-confirmed-as-genuine/
Swill
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Nasty women VOTE!" - Elizabeth Warren

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Matt Singer
2016-10-30 17:34:56 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Martin Eastburn
Maybe the warships are headed to take over another country! Big buildup
on the ground. Something is going to have to be done or the Bear will
take over Eastern Europe. And threaten WWIII.
PANIC!!! RUN!!! DIG A TUNNEL!!!! HIDE!!!! YAWN!!!!
Not a serious contribution; childish.
Governor Swill
2016-10-31 16:24:53 UTC
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Post by Matt Singer
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Martin Eastburn
Maybe the warships are headed to take over another country! Big buildup
on the ground. Something is going to have to be done or the Bear will
take over Eastern Europe. And threaten WWIII.
PANIC!!! RUN!!! DIG A TUNNEL!!!! HIDE!!!! YAWN!!!!
Not a serious contribution; childish.
You don't get comedy?

Swill
--
Trump/Pence 2016
Make sexual assault great again!

#imwithher #strongertogether

Hillary ought to be arrested for assault.
'Cause she kicked Trump's ass tonight.
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-28 03:56:22 UTC
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Post by Martin Eastburn
Maybe the warships are headed to take over another country! Big buildup
on the ground. Something is going to have to be done
or the Bear will take over Eastern Europe. And threaten WWIII.
Russia has enough problems with Ukraine, Checknia,(sic) Backing Iran and
cleaning up Obama's mess in Syria.
Post by Martin Eastburn
Martin
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new
US aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane,
Australia on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm
blocking the cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-
rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-
Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
The news on the wake up radio was that Spain has asked the Russians where
the fleet is going. Apparently the russians have asked for fuel and the
Spanish do not want to give fuel to ships who are going to shell Syrian
civilians. So the Russians have to look elsewhere atm.
Actually Obama asked NATO to intervene and stop any refueling efforts of
the Russians. That can be found on Military.com. Fuck head Obama made
the mess and now refuses to let Russia clean it up. I wonder if
Obama may end up with a plutonium cup of Tea.
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Governor Swill
2016-10-28 19:15:13 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new
US aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane,
Australia on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm
blocking the cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
Post by news16
The news on the wake up radio was that Spain has asked the Russians where
the fleet is going. Apparently the russians have asked for fuel and the
Spanish do not want to give fuel to ships who are going to shell Syrian
civilians. So the Russians have to look elsewhere atm.
They can't get from the Arctic to the eastern Med without stopping at
a gas station?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Swill
--
Make America Nasty Again! #imwithher
"Nasty women are tough. Nasty women are smart.
Nasty women VOTE!" - Elizabeth Warren

Nasty is the new black.

http://tinyurl.com/nastytshirt
http://tinyurl.com/Nastywomanmerchandise

Nasty women get stuff done.
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-27 03:08:32 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new US
aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane, Australia
on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm blocking the
cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
That is only an indicator that the Oil fired Boilers on that carrier
have bad seals. It was due last year for Yard overhaul. It has been
rescheduled for 2017. That Smoke does not negate its capability. It does
lose a few Knots of flank speed. I would guess that the Boiler rooms are
getting powered ventilation to dilute the Carbon Monoxide.
It does not require steam to launch aircraft as ours do.
Post by Governor Swill
Swill
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
DkjGJ░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░aFRin
2016-10-27 04:51:24 UTC
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Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new US
aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane, Australia
on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm blocking the
cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
That is only an indicator that the Oil fired Boilers on that carrier
have bad seals. It was due last year for Yard overhaul. It has been
rescheduled for 2017. That Smoke does not negate its capability. It does
lose a few Knots of flank speed. I would guess that the Boiler rooms are
getting powered ventilation to dilute the Carbon Monoxide.
It does not require steam to launch aircraft as ours do.
Post by Governor Swill
Swill
Aircraft carriers are sooooo WWII.

Saddam Hussein amassed a lot of tanks. See how well he fared?

The US has amassed a lot of aircraft carriers in the age of aircraft
carrier killer missiles. Now they are nothing but floating coffins,
slowly draining the war chest to bring down the empire.
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-27 05:10:18 UTC
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Post by DkjGJ░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░aFRin
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new US
aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane, Australia
on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm blocking the
cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
That is only an indicator that the Oil fired Boilers on that carrier
have bad seals. It was due last year for Yard overhaul. It has been
rescheduled for 2017. That Smoke does not negate its capability. It does
lose a few Knots of flank speed. I would guess that the Boiler rooms are
getting powered ventilation to dilute the Carbon Monoxide.
It does not require steam to launch aircraft as ours do.
Post by Governor Swill
Swill
Aircraft carriers are sooooo WWII.
Saddam Hussein amassed a lot of tanks. See how well he fared?
The US has amassed a lot of aircraft carriers in the age of aircraft
carrier killer missiles. Now they are nothing but floating coffins,
slowly draining the war chest to bring down the empire.
The USA had 105 carriers of all sizes in WWII. Many were converted Cruisers.
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nsLYD░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░fdgqv
2016-10-28 23:58:13 UTC
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2016 00:51:24 -0400, DkjGJ? ?????? ? ??????? ?aFRin
Post by DkjGJ░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░aFRin
Post by PaxPerPoten
Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
After separating from the damaged battleship Bismarck, Prinz Eugen had
to abort and return to port because her steam power plant condensers
weren't properly designed to handle the warmer ocean water further
south!
To come into the later 20th century, the story goes that the brand new US
aircraft carrier Ronald Raygun had to be towed into Brisbane, Australia
on its maiden OS voyage. Defeated by a jelly fish swarm blocking the
cooling water inlet pipes.
Meanwhile, the Russian navy's flagship, the carrier Admiral Kuznetsov,
was seen belching smoke like a coal fired, early 20th century steamer.
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3861166/It-s-Putin-s-Russian-rustbucket-30-year-old-ageing-aircraft-carrier-sailed-menacingly-close-Britain-poor-condition-frequently-plagued-breakdowns.html>
That is only an indicator that the Oil fired Boilers on that carrier
have bad seals. It was due last year for Yard overhaul. It has been
rescheduled for 2017. That Smoke does not negate its capability. It does
lose a few Knots of flank speed. I would guess that the Boiler rooms are
getting powered ventilation to dilute the Carbon Monoxide.
It does not require steam to launch aircraft as ours do.
Post by Governor Swill
Swill
Aircraft carriers are sooooo WWII.
Um, no. Air power is the foundation of military power of any kind.
Who controls the air, controls the battlefield.
Post by DkjGJ░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░aFRin
Saddam Hussein amassed a lot of tanks.
A lot of inferior, second hand Soviet tanks manned by poorly trained
troops.
Post by DkjGJ░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░aFRin
See how well he fared?
Maybe he should have bought aircraft carriers instead. :)
Post by DkjGJ░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░aFRin
The US has amassed a lot of aircraft carriers in the age of aircraft
carrier killer missiles. Now they are nothing but floating coffins,
slowly draining the war chest to bring down the empire.
Considering the US has more and better carriers than the rest of the
world combined and that the "empire" is doing very well, thank you, I
don't see the validity in your comment.
Swill
You are seeing a mirage.

The US is $20 trillion in debt. The reason the US hasn't imploded yet is
because the US dollar had become the world reserve currency, and all
international monetary transactions are converting to US dollar back and
forth. China has been propping up the US dollar for its own gain. Other
than that, all the dictators in the world have been stowing away their
ill gotten money in the US. Someday there will be a rude awakening when
people realize the US dollar is backed by nothing, the US government is
printing money out of thin air and piling on debt with no hope of paying.
Governor Swill
2016-10-29 23:58:27 UTC
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 19:58:13 -0400, nsLYD? ?????? ? ??????? ?fdgqv
Post by nsLYD░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░fdgqv
The US is $20 trillion in debt. The reason the US hasn't imploded yet is
because the US dollar had become the world reserve currency, and all
international monetary transactions are converting to US dollar back and
forth. China has been propping up the US dollar for its own gain. Other
than that, all the dictators in the world have been stowing away their
ill gotten money in the US. Someday there will be a rude awakening when
people realize the US dollar is backed by nothing, the US government is
printing money out of thin air and piling on debt with no hope of paying.
So why are foreign states and financial institutions competing to see
who can buy the most near zero interest US securities, even those with
a *negative yield*.

GTII5:GOV
5 Year
0.13 102.05 -0.33% +3 -62 10/28/2016
GTII10:GOV
10 Year
0.13 100.20 0.10% +11 -54 10/28/2016
GTII20:GOV
20 Year
3.38 144.86 0.38% +12 -51 10/28/2016
GTII30:GOV
30 Year
1.00 107.24 0.73% +15 -50 10/28/2016
https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us

Swill
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news16
2016-10-30 01:27:42 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
So why are foreign states and financial institutions competing to see
who can buy the most near zero interest US securities, even those with a
*negative yield*.
To preserve the value in the ones they already hold.
You can bet they know exactly how much the resources in the USA are worth
and they will get every cent back double, if not quadrupled.

This certainty is a USA creation to screw other countries. bitches when
it comes home.
cEDPj░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░fntLw
2016-10-30 04:29:38 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Fri, 28 Oct 2016 19:58:13 -0400, nsLYD? ?????? ? ??????? ?fdgqv
Post by nsLYD░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░fdgqv
The US is $20 trillion in debt. The reason the US hasn't imploded yet is
because the US dollar had become the world reserve currency, and all
international monetary transactions are converting to US dollar back and
forth. China has been propping up the US dollar for its own gain. Other
than that, all the dictators in the world have been stowing away their
ill gotten money in the US. Someday there will be a rude awakening when
people realize the US dollar is backed by nothing, the US government is
printing money out of thin air and piling on debt with no hope of paying.
So why are foreign states and financial institutions competing to see
who can buy the most near zero interest US securities, even those with
a *negative yield*.
GTII5:GOV
5 Year
0.13 102.05 -0.33% +3 -62 10/28/2016
GTII10:GOV
10 Year
0.13 100.20 0.10% +11 -54 10/28/2016
GTII20:GOV
20 Year
3.38 144.86 0.38% +12 -51 10/28/2016
GTII30:GOV
30 Year
1.00 107.24 0.73% +15 -50 10/28/2016
https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us
Swill
In Canada, the interest rate is determined by the yield of 3-month
Canadian Treasury Bills at auction (that means it is determined by market)

In the US, the interest rate is artificially determined by the Federal
Reserve.

Foreign countries, like China, park their money in US bonds. Many US
domestic financial organizations are not allowed to invest overseas.
They have no choice but to lend money to the US government by buying US
government bonds.

<https://www.treasurydirect.gov/kids/what/what_borrow.htm>
//
How does the U.S. Government borrow money?

Here’s where the Government is different from individual people and
businesses. When the Government borrows money, it doesn’t go to the bank
and apply for a loan. It "issues debt." This means the Government sells
Treasury marketable securities such as Treasury bills, notes, bonds and
Treasury inflation-protected securities (TIPS) to other federal
government agencies, individuals, businesses, state and local
governments, as well as people, businesses and governments from other
countries. Savings bonds are sold to individuals, corporations,
associations, public and private organizations, fiduciaries, and other
entities.

Here is how Treasury securities - such as savings bonds - generally
work. People lend money to the Government so it can pay its bills. Over
time, the Government gives that money, plus a bit extra, back to those
people as payment for using the borrowed money. That extra money is
"interest."

This is how the U.S. system of debt works:

The U.S. Treasury issues or creates the debt.
The Bureau of the Fiscal Service manages the Government’s debt.
That means it keeps records, takes care of selling the debt, and handles
paying back people who loaned the Government money.
The U.S. Treasury and the Bureau of the Fiscal Service do not
decide how the money is spent. The legislative branch of Government
(Congress) decides how the money is spent.
There is a maximum amount of debt the Government can have. This is
known as the “debt ceiling.” To raise that amount, the U.S. Treasury
must get Congress to approve a new and higher limit.//
Governor Swill
2016-10-31 16:14:52 UTC
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Post by cEDPj░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░fntLw
In Canada, the interest rate is determined by the yield of 3-month
Canadian Treasury Bills at auction (that means it is determined by market)
In the US, the interest rate is artificially determined by the Federal
Reserve.
That's because USD is a reserve currency. CAD is not.

Swill
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BqIGz░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░EeBUF
2016-10-31 17:21:34 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by cEDPj░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░fntLw
In Canada, the interest rate is determined by the yield of 3-month
Canadian Treasury Bills at auction (that means it is determined by market)
In the US, the interest rate is artificially determined by the Federal
Reserve.
That's because USD is a reserve currency. CAD is not.
It is not the reason.

Canada's central bank, Bank of Canada, can also artificially assign an
interest rate like its US counterpart, but it chooses not to.

The Bank of Canada's interest rate is, by definition, determined by the
yield of its 3-month T-Bills.

The Bank of Canada affects the interest rate by the auction of 3-month
T-Bills. Only big financial institutions can bid in such auctions. The
issuance of T-Bills (a form of government debt) can affect the money
supply in the open market. If more T-Bill is offered, the interest rate
goes up because the government is sucking up all the cash and that will
result in tighter money supply in the open market.
Governor Swill
2016-10-31 22:05:58 UTC
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Post by BqIGz░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░EeBUF
Post by Governor Swill
Post by cEDPj░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░fntLw
In Canada, the interest rate is determined by the yield of 3-month
Canadian Treasury Bills at auction (that means it is determined by market)
In the US, the interest rate is artificially determined by the Federal
Reserve.
Because USD is so in demand we can pay the interest rate we want to
pay.
Post by BqIGz░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░EeBUF
Post by Governor Swill
That's because USD is a reserve currency. CAD is not.
It is not the reason.
Canada's central bank, Bank of Canada, can also artificially assign an
interest rate like its US counterpart, but it chooses not to.
It doesn't choose not to, it hasn't the power to do so. CAD has to
run at market demand because demand for it on world markets is so
weak.
Post by BqIGz░ Mighty ░ Wannabe ░EeBUF
The Bank of Canada's interest rate is, by definition, determined by the
yield of its 3-month T-Bills.
The Bank of Canada affects the interest rate by the auction of 3-month
T-Bills. Only big financial institutions can bid in such auctions. The
issuance of T-Bills (a form of government debt) can affect the money
supply in the open market. If more T-Bill is offered, the interest rate
goes up because the government is sucking up all the cash and that will
result in tighter money supply in the open market.
That's a fine explanation of supply and demand in money markets, but
it is not the "reason why" the fed sets rates for USD.

"Reserve Currency
"After World War II, the international financial system was governed
by a formal agreement, the Bretton Woods System. Under this system the
United States dollar was placed deliberately as the anchor of the
system, with the US government guaranteeing other central banks that
they could sell their US dollar reserves at a fixed rate for
gold.[10]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency

Detail on the Bretton Woods system and it's collapse in the 1960s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretton_Woods_Conference

The US leaves the gold standard in 1971
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-takes-united-states-off-gold-standard

And becomes backed by oil so it remains the dominant global reserve
currency.
http://faculty.georgetown.edu/imo3/petrod/define.htm

This table shows the importance of dollars to the world and how much
of the world holds how many dollars as their own cash reserves. That
is, the USD has replaced gold as the standard on which nations base
their currencies and conduct their trade.
"Table: Currency composition of official foreign exchange reserves"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency

You will note that neither the Canadian or Australian dollar was a
reserve currency until the second Obama term.

"As we have learned from the previous articles in this series, the
petrodollar system that was created in the 1970’s has served America
well, both economically and politically. What began as a way to drive
more demand for the U.S. dollar in the wake of a move away from the
international gold standard in 1971, has provided benefits that few
could have ever imagined including the solidification of the U.S.
dollar as the global currency of choice. This was important,
especially following a temporary loss of dollar credibility after
President Nixon’s decision to close the gold window. "
https://ftmdaily.com/preparing-for-the-collapse-of-the-petrodollar-system-part-3/

A graphic that will help explain the petrodollar phenomenon, our
involvement in Iraq, our continual meddling in the ME and where we
might be headed now.
Loading Image...

The United States was made THE global reserve currency after WW II.
Since then, other currencies have become healthy enough to join the
party. effectively managed the global money supply since WW II first
through it's control of most of the world's gold supply, then through
it's relationships with ME nations, especially Saudi Arabia.

The Fed sets rates. It does so based on the health of the US economy,
the global economy and the demand for US debt.

Swill
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rbowman
2016-10-29 03:15:02 UTC
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Um, no. Air power is the foundation of military power of any kind.
Who controls the air, controls the battlefield.
He who controls the battlefield controls the battlefield.

Võ Nguyên Giáp
Governor Swill
2016-10-30 00:03:07 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Um, no. Air power is the foundation of military power of any kind.
Who controls the air, controls the battlefield.
He who controls the battlefield controls the battlefield.
Which is what I said.
Post by rbowman
Võ Nguyên Giáp
Relevance?

Swill
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news16
2016-10-30 01:29:34 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by rbowman
Um, no. Air power is the foundation of military power of any kind.
Who controls the air, controls the battlefield.
He who controls the battlefield controls the battlefield.
Which is what I said.
Post by rbowman
Võ Nguyên Giáp
Relevance?
That is why the US got their arse handed to them in Nam.

"This looks a good place to kick merkin arse. Let their scouts see a
fighter and set up the ambushes while we wait".
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-30 03:11:00 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by Governor Swill
Post by rbowman
Um, no. Air power is the foundation of military power of any kind.
Who controls the air, controls the battlefield.
He who controls the battlefield controls the battlefield.
Which is what I said.
Post by rbowman
Võ Nguyên Giáp
Relevance?
That is why the US got their arse handed to them in Nam.
Nope! You moron, It was a Democrat war to garner War Profits. It could
not be won or the war profits go away. The American public got tired of
its kids coming home in body bags, National treasure being squandered
and raised Hell about getting out. America did not lose that war.
America just flat walked away and the fucking Democrats retired to their
war profits-taxpayer paid for mansions. Eisenhower thought it was the
stupidest move ever made by any political party and could not believe
the Dems sold it to America.

58,000 dead and the fucking Democrats with some moron Republicans wants
to do the same thing in the ME and against Russia, while still at odds
with China. The whole democratic party must be loaded with
John(Cohen)Kerry stolen Valor heroes.

Tell me News... How many Charlies did you see?
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the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
rbowman
2016-10-30 04:04:22 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by rbowman
Um, no. Air power is the foundation of military power of any kind.
Who controls the air, controls the battlefield.
He who controls the battlefield controls the battlefield.
Which is what I said.
Post by rbowman
Võ Nguyên Giáp
Relevance?
iirc the US had overwhelmingly superior air power in Vietnam. Like the
director's cut of 'Apocalypse Now' the yellow stayed and the whites (and
blacks) ran out. Giap was the principle strategist.

Air power, Russian or US, didn't help much in Afghanistan either.
Governor Swill
2016-10-31 16:16:21 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Governor Swill
Post by rbowman
Um, no. Air power is the foundation of military power of any kind.
Who controls the air, controls the battlefield.
He who controls the battlefield controls the battlefield.
Which is what I said.
Post by rbowman
Võ Nguyên Giáp
Relevance?
iirc the US had overwhelmingly superior air power in Vietnam. Like the
director's cut of 'Apocalypse Now' the yellow stayed and the whites (and
blacks) ran out. Giap was the principle strategist.
Air power, Russian or US, didn't help much in Afghanistan either.
Doesn't work in guerilla wars.

Swill
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Hillary ought to be arrested for assault.
'Cause she kicked Trump's ass tonight.
news16
2016-10-31 23:24:28 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by rbowman
iirc the US had overwhelmingly superior air power in Vietnam. Like the
director's cut of 'Apocalypse Now' the yellow stayed and the whites (and
blacks) ran out. Giap was the principle strategist.
Air power, Russian or US, didn't help much in Afghanistan either.
Doesn't work in guerilla wars.
Lol, massive failure to understand WTF happened there.
rbowman
2016-11-01 04:45:17 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by rbowman
Post by Governor Swill
Post by rbowman
Um, no. Air power is the foundation of military power of any kind.
Who controls the air, controls the battlefield.
He who controls the battlefield controls the battlefield.
Which is what I said.
Post by rbowman
Võ Nguyên Giáp
Relevance?
iirc the US had overwhelmingly superior air power in Vietnam. Like the
director's cut of 'Apocalypse Now' the yellow stayed and the whites (and
blacks) ran out. Giap was the principle strategist.
Air power, Russian or US, didn't help much in Afghanistan either.
Doesn't work in guerilla wars.
That's pretty much what's left these days if you haven't noticed.
Hussein was the last one to line his army up in neat rows.

news16
2016-10-21 06:55:03 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Loose lips sink administrations...
Secrets? Nah, none.
What the "release" has shown id the wide spread stupidity of those trying
to put here down and writing. You are going to tell me you know about the
"Secret" folder that was anything bu secret? Seems a few "journalists"
are wearing lots of egg.
rbowman
2016-10-21 14:14:02 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by rbowman
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Loose lips sink administrations...
Secrets? Nah, none.
What the "release" has shown id the wide spread stupidity of those trying
to put here down and writing. You are going to tell me you know about the
"Secret" folder that was anything bu secret? Seems a few "journalists"
are wearing lots of egg.
Come back when the Foster's wears off.
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-21 23:29:31 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Post by rbowman
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Loose lips sink administrations...
Secrets? Nah, none.
What the "release" has shown id the wide spread stupidity of those trying
to put here down and writing. You are going to tell me you know about the
"Secret" folder that was anything bu secret? Seems a few "journalists"
are wearing lots of egg.
Come back when the Foster's wears off.
This lad should keep in mind that if the USA's War Bitch looses the Dogs
of war...Australia will be vulnerable to becoming China's new Formosa.
--
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the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
rbowman
2016-10-22 00:55:14 UTC
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Post by PaxPerPoten
This lad should keep in mind that if the USA's War Bitch looses the Dogs
of war...Australia will be vulnerable to becoming China's new Formosa.
They're going willingly...

https://www.ft.com/content/c0c18f32-d9eb-11e5-9ba8-3abc1e7247e4
news16
2016-10-24 01:28:10 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by PaxPerPoten
This lad should keep in mind that if the USA's War Bitch looses the
Dogs of war...Australia will be vulnerable to becoming China's new
Formosa.
They're going willingly...
https://www.ft.com/content/c0c18f32-d9eb-11e5-9ba8-3abc1e7247e4
Small cheese, or should I sat powdered milk/baby formula.
Missed Darwin & Kidman?
You might be excused for not knowing this;
http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2016-10-19a
If we go, you do too, hint locations mentioned.
Winston_Smith
2016-10-24 23:10:08 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by rbowman
Post by PaxPerPoten
This lad should keep in mind that if the USA's War Bitch looses the
Dogs of war...Australia will be vulnerable to becoming China's new
Formosa.
They're going willingly...
https://www.ft.com/content/c0c18f32-d9eb-11e5-9ba8-3abc1e7247e4
You might be excused for not knowing this;
http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2016-10-19a
If we go, you do too, hint locations mentioned.
DARPA turns over management of a telescope for tracking space junk to
two air forces.

Yeah? What does that have to do with war?

It's in New Mexico. So? How does that effect either country going to
war? How does that get Australia off the hook if China becomes
embroiled in war?



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news16
2016-10-22 03:23:07 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Post by rbowman
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Loose lips sink administrations...
Secrets? Nah, none.
What the "release" has shown id the wide spread stupidity of those
trying to put here down and writing. You are going to tell me you know
about the "Secret" folder that was anything bu secret? Seems a few
"journalists" are wearing lots of egg.
Come back when the Foster's wears off.
Lol, you don't know about how the Ruskies and others have suckered
journos? Seems a lot of journos in the field worked out what was going on
before the "data" even got to Assange. Julian's meglomania kicked in and
he has shot himself in the feet well and truly.

Now WL has had a dummy spit because a lot of real journos pointed to the
egg on WL's face.
news16
2016-10-21 03:27:13 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Lol, when Hillary fist obtained her email server, there were no
procedures. Security on an MS internet connect computer was non-existent
for decades.

Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email server
is running? Seriously.
Winston_Smith
2016-10-21 03:41:57 UTC
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Post by news16
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email server
is running? Seriously.
He deals with about how many pieces of e-mail a week that is
classified secret or above ????

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rbowman
2016-10-21 14:12:36 UTC
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Post by Winston_Smith
Post by news16
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email server
is running? Seriously.
He deals with about how many pieces of e-mail a week that is
classified secret or above ????
All his negotitions with Prince Nabubantu from Nigeria are highly
classified. Millions are involved.
news16
2016-10-22 03:43:31 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email
server is running? Seriously.
He deals with about how many pieces of e-mail a week that is classified
secret or above ????
All his negotitions with Prince Nabubantu from Nigeria are highly
classified. Millions are involved.
Wow, the "brains tryst outed.
nhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/10/windows-
server-2003-in-2016-trumps-mail-servers-are-old-and-insecure/
Winston_Smith
2016-10-22 04:16:50 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email
server is running? Seriously.
He deals with about how many pieces of e-mail a week that is classified
secret or above ????
All his negotitions with Prince Nabubantu from Nigeria are highly
classified. Millions are involved.
Wow, the "brains tryst outed.
nhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/10/windows-
server-2003-in-2016-trumps-mail-servers-are-old-and-insecure/
You can have secure communications without secure servers. The
interface between the net and the server has the security. In commerce
it's often in the form of a secure tunnel.

What?

No, no, it has nothing to do with Christmas and toy trains.

___
Women! They let 'em vote, smoke and drive - even put 'em
in pants! And what happens? A Democrat for president!
-- Russ Meyer movie "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!" (1965)
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/faster-pussycat-kill-kill-1995
Governor Swill
2016-10-24 06:06:18 UTC
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:41:57 -0700, Winston_Smith
Post by Winston_Smith
Post by news16
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email server
is running? Seriously.
He deals with about how many pieces of e-mail a week that is
classified secret or above ????
That's why he needs to be kept out of the White House. So there won't
be any.

Swill
--
Trump/Pence 2016
Make sexual assault great again!

#imwithher #strongertogether

Hillary ought to be arrested for assault.
'Cause she kicked Trump's ass tonight.
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-24 22:36:36 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 20:41:57 -0700, Winston_Smith
Post by Winston_Smith
Post by news16
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email server
is running? Seriously.
He deals with about how many pieces of e-mail a week that is
classified secret or above ????
That's why he needs to be kept out of the White House. So there won't
be any.
Swill
He has already stated that he would rather live in Trump towers and his
Emails are none of your Faggot infested business. Damned, but you are
one asshole of a windbag.
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
Jim Wilkins
2016-10-21 12:55:39 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Lol, when Hillary fist obtained her email server, there were no
procedures. Security on an MS internet connect computer was
non-existent
for decades.
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email server
is running? Seriously.
You are simply ignorant of NSA security methods.

In 1970 we applied top-level encryption to Army payroll data
transmitted between Burroughs computers. The security was in the
transmission link which included German public and leased telephone
lines which we assumed were all monitored by Stasi. The computers
themselves didn't have or need internal security measures because they
and the encrypting and decrypting equipment had to be in secured,
guarded facilities, not on private property like Hillary's server. She
couldn't be bothered with the inconvenience and wilfully exposed
herself to espionage.

Payroll data is sensitive because it reveals troop strength and
deployments, such as where the tanks have just moved to.

Governments have to assume the black hats are constantly trying to
break in (as we are to them) and not just make lame indignant excuses
when they succeed through user negligence. Snowden revealed how far we
go to gather intelligence and it's safe to assume others do too.

I had a truck like this with a safe welded to the floor to transport
classified material around Germany.
http://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m109.php
Driving such a clumsy and obvious target through dense European city
traffic with loaded machine guns and sensitive cargo isn't a job for
the nervous or inattentive. I had to learn to be calm enough to stay
fully alert for hours.

Extremely robust electronic security procedures were developed during
WW2, largely because we exploited and learned to avoid the mistakes
our enemies made. Computers evolved directly from British and US WW2
cryptographic equipment, a pedigree not revealed until the late
1970's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGSALY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer

https://www.dhs.gov/topic/securing-federal-networks

Irresponsible users can compromise even theoretically unbreakable
encryption:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
https://news.usni.org/2014/09/02/john-walker-spy-ring-u-s-navys-biggest-betrayal

--0sV5ut0qu9W6v
Winston_Smith
2016-10-21 17:47:18 UTC
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 08:55:39 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
Post by Jim Wilkins
Snowden revealed how far we
go to gather intelligence and it's safe to assume others do too.
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/government-alleges-massive-theft-by-nsa-contractor/2016/10/20/e021c380-96cc-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop_b>
Government alleges former NSA contractor stole ‘astonishing quantity’
of classified data over 20 years

October 20

Federal prosecutors in Baltimore on Thursday said they will charge a
former National Security Agency contractor with violating the
Espionage Act, alleging that he made off with “an astonishing
quantity” of classified digital and other data over 20 years in what
is thought to be the largest theft of classified government material
ever.

In a 12-page memo, U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein and two other
prosecutors laid out a much more far-reaching case against Harold T.
Martin III than was previously outlined. They say he took at least 50
terabytes of data and “six full banker’s boxes worth of documents,”
with many lying open in his home office or kept on his car’s back seat
and in the trunk. Other material was stored in a shed on his property.

One terabyte is the equivalent of 500 hours’ worth of movies.

Martin, who will appear at a detention hearing in U.S. District Court
in Baltimore on Friday, also took personal information about
government employees as well as dozens of computers, thumb drives and
other digital storage devices, the government memo said.

The government has not alleged that Martin passed any material to a
foreign government, but contends that if he is released on bail he
could do so.
___
Women! They let 'em vote, smoke and drive - even put 'em
in pants! And what happens? A Democrat for president!
-- Russ Meyer movie "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!" (1965)
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/faster-pussycat-kill-kill-1995
Jim Wilkins
2016-10-21 20:21:36 UTC
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Post by Winston_Smith
On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 08:55:39 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
Post by Jim Wilkins
Snowden revealed how far we
go to gather intelligence and it's safe to assume others do too.
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/government-alleges-massive-theft-by-nsa-contractor/2016/10/20/e021c380-96cc-11e6-bb29-bf2701dbe0a3_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop_b>
Government alleges former NSA contractor stole 'astonishing
quantity'
of classified data over 20 years
October 20
Federal prosecutors in Baltimore on Thursday said they will charge a
former National Security Agency contractor with violating the
Espionage Act, alleging that he made off with "an astonishing
quantity" of classified digital and other data over 20 years in what
is thought to be the largest theft of classified government material
ever.
This is the KGB equivalent:
http://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/collection/52/mitrokhin-archive
Mr. B1ack
2016-10-22 01:53:55 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Lol, when Hillary fist obtained her email server, there were no
procedures. Security on an MS internet connect computer was
non-existent
for decades.
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email server
is running? Seriously.
You are simply ignorant of NSA security methods.
In 1970 we applied top-level encryption to Army payroll data
transmitted between Burroughs computers. The security was in the
transmission link which included German public and leased telephone
lines which we assumed were all monitored by Stasi. The computers
themselves didn't have or need internal security measures because they
and the encrypting and decrypting equipment had to be in secured,
guarded facilities, not on private property like Hillary's server. She
couldn't be bothered with the inconvenience and wilfully exposed
herself to espionage.
Payroll data is sensitive because it reveals troop strength and
deployments, such as where the tanks have just moved to.
Governments have to assume the black hats are constantly trying to
break in (as we are to them) and not just make lame indignant excuses
when they succeed through user negligence. Snowden revealed how far we
go to gather intelligence and it's safe to assume others do too.
I had a truck like this with a safe welded to the floor to transport
classified material around Germany.
http://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m109.php
Driving such a clumsy and obvious target through dense European city
traffic with loaded machine guns and sensitive cargo isn't a job for
the nervous or inattentive. I had to learn to be calm enough to stay
fully alert for hours.
Extremely robust electronic security procedures were developed during
WW2, largely because we exploited and learned to avoid the mistakes
our enemies made. Computers evolved directly from British and US WW2
cryptographic equipment, a pedigree not revealed until the late
1970's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGSALY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
https://www.dhs.gov/topic/securing-federal-networks
Irresponsible users can compromise even theoretically unbreakable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
https://news.usni.org/2014/09/02/john-walker-spy-ring-u-s-navys-biggest-betrayal
Any scrap of data can be exploited by the opposition - which
was a serious thing when the opposition was the USSR. Not
*quite* as bad with todays Russia and it's different areas of
focus, but still pretty damned bad. And what the Chinese are
up to ... I'd worry about them even MORE right now .......

As for Trumps mail server ... well ... he's not the president
yet and it'll contain no national secrets. Oddly, it really might
be safer running a really old version of Winders or even DOS
than the factory spyware and virus magnets the latest versions
have become. If you want a good mail server, start with some
version of Unix/Linux ...... and if you're hyper-paranoid you can
always write a dedicated standalone program that doesn't
run on ANY "system" at all (I've suggested that approach for
future e-voting stations).

And about the "human factor" ... sorry, but I guess we're
stuck with that. The best quantum encryption is totally
worthless if the user puts the keys on a Post-It on their
fridge "so they'll know where they are". About all you can
do is rotate keys and methods fairly often, but even then
don't assume your secrets are "forever" - they'll have
a half-life instead.
news16
2016-10-24 01:33:13 UTC
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Any scrap of data can be exploited by the opposition - which was a
serious thing when the opposition was the USSR. Not *quite* as bad
with todays Russia and it's different areas of focus, but still
pretty damned bad. And what the Chinese are up to ... I'd worry about
them even MORE right now .......
Our gov had a brin fart about huwaei tendering for gov network stuff.
They didn't think the stuff was secure, or Chinese gov trustworthy.
Obviousy no one pointed out that Huwaei got their code from Cisco kit.
The question is did they fix the vulnerabilities that have finally been
revealed.
Governor Swill
2016-10-26 15:18:36 UTC
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Post by news16
Any scrap of data can be exploited by the opposition - which was a
serious thing when the opposition was the USSR. Not *quite* as bad
with todays Russia and it's different areas of focus, but still
pretty damned bad. And what the Chinese are up to ... I'd worry about
them even MORE right now .......
Our gov had a brin fart about huwaei tendering for gov network stuff.
They didn't think the stuff was secure, or Chinese gov trustworthy.
Obviousy no one pointed out that Huwaei got their code from Cisco kit.
The question is did they fix the vulnerabilities that have finally been
revealed.
Speaking of brin [sic] farts, did you take your meds today?

Swill
--
Trump/Pence 2016
Make sexual assault great again!

#imwithher #strongertogether

Hillary ought to be arrested for assault.
'Cause she kicked Trump's ass tonight.
news16
2016-10-27 00:43:29 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Any scrap of data can be exploited by the opposition - which was a
serious thing when the opposition was the USSR. Not *quite* as bad
with todays Russia and it's different areas of focus, but still
pretty damned bad. And what the Chinese are up to ... I'd worry
about them even MORE right now .......
Our gov had a brin fart about huwaei tendering for gov network stuff.
They didn't think the stuff was secure, or Chinese gov trustworthy.
Obviousy no one pointed out that Huwaei got their code from Cisco kit.
The question is did they fix the vulnerabilities that have finally been
revealed.
Speaking of brin [sic] farts, did you take your meds today?
Nah, it is far more fun this way.
Your excuse?
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-27 03:12:28 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by news16
Any scrap of data can be exploited by the opposition - which was a
serious thing when the opposition was the USSR. Not *quite* as bad
with todays Russia and it's different areas of focus, but still
pretty damned bad. And what the Chinese are up to ... I'd worry about
them even MORE right now .......
Our gov had a brin fart about huwaei tendering for gov network stuff.
They didn't think the stuff was secure, or Chinese gov trustworthy.
Obviousy no one pointed out that Huwaei got their code from Cisco kit.
The question is did they fix the vulnerabilities that have finally been
revealed.
Speaking of brin [sic] farts, did you take your meds today?
Swill
On would ask the same of you.
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
news16
2016-10-22 03:33:10 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Lol, when Hillary fist obtained her email server, there were no
procedures. Security on an MS internet connect computer was
non-existent for decades.
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email
server is running? Seriously.
You are simply ignorant of NSA security methods.
As you are of reality, history and relevance.
Winston_Smith
2016-10-28 23:17:06 UTC
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Speaking of farts, constipation can be a painful thing too.
Loading Image...
Either that or they just placed the stick to prop here up.

Hillary and 0bama share an activity
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rbowman
2016-10-29 03:10:52 UTC
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Post by Winston_Smith
Speaking of farts, constipation can be a painful thing too.
http://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/uploads/2015/12/1/19.png
Either that or they just placed the stick to prop here up.
Townhall likes that one.
rbowman
2016-10-21 14:11:27 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Lol, when Hillary fist obtained her email server, there were no
procedures. Security on an MS internet connect computer was non-existent
for decades.
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email server
is running? Seriously.
You really should be careful about public displays of ignorance.
Winston_Smith
2016-10-21 17:54:42 UTC
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Post by rbowman
You really should be careful about public displays of ignorance.
News just shot off 16 posts. Each short. Each breaking a thread. None
of them adding any idea. None of them making any real comment on what
was already in the thread.

The sole point of each was to single out a regular poster and rant
about how stupid they are.

News seems to be in some sort of melt down. I can see that he might
just be disgusted with the world in general, but this hardly makes any
improvement. Maybe we should take up a collection to get him laid.

___
Women! They let 'em vote, smoke and drive - even put 'em
in pants! And what happens? A Democrat for president!
-- Russ Meyer movie "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!" (1965)
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/faster-pussycat-kill-kill-1995
Jim Wilkins
2016-10-21 20:05:21 UTC
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Post by Winston_Smith
Post by rbowman
You really should be careful about public displays of ignorance.
News just shot off 16 posts. Each short. Each breaking a thread. None
of them adding any idea. None of them making any real comment on what
was already in the thread.
The sole point of each was to single out a regular poster and rant
about how stupid they are.
News seems to be in some sort of melt down. I can see that he might
just be disgusted with the world in general, but this hardly makes any
improvement. Maybe we should take up a collection to get him laid.
I'll contribute my Googling skill:
http://www.healthcentral.com/depression/c/84292/70431/money-insurance/

It is important to be able to describe the symptoms precisely:
http://mentalfloss.com/article/58230/how-tell-whether-youve-got-angst-ennui-or-weltschmerz

"Artists and poets suffered from it, and soon a claim to ennui was a
mark of spiritual depth and sensitivity. It implied feelings of
superiority and self-regard, the idea being that only bourgeois people
too deluded or stupid to see the basic futility of any action could be
happy."
news16
2016-10-22 03:41:00 UTC
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Post by Winston_Smith
Post by rbowman
You really should be careful about public displays of ignorance.
News just shot off 16 posts. Each short. Each breaking a thread. None
of them adding any idea. None of them making any real comment on what
was already in the thread.
Lol, you're doing a Donald Winnie, but you're well practised in that. Is
the whooshing troubling you.
Winston_Smith
2016-10-22 04:13:51 UTC
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Post by news16
Post by Winston_Smith
Post by rbowman
You really should be careful about public displays of ignorance.
He should be, but I'm afraid he won't take the advise.
Post by news16
Post by Winston_Smith
News just shot off 16 posts. Each short. Each breaking a thread. None
of them adding any idea. None of them making any real comment on what
was already in the thread.
The sole point of each was to single out a regular poster and rant
about how stupid they are.
Lol, you're doing a Donald Winnie, but you're well practised in that. Is
the whooshing troubling you.
Nope. He didn't take the advice. Nothing, but break the thread AGAIN
to get off another stupid shot at someone.


I just realized, News has been taken over by the ghost of Stormin'. He
loved to break every thread to see his name at the top of a long list
of apparently original threads. Most of his new top threads were
devoid of any useful content.

It's a good fit between you and his ghost. Now if you can just learn
to tell us when we are "impolite" and occasionally mention flashlights
and batteries, your possession will be complete.

___
"Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid."
--Damon Runyon
news16
2016-10-22 03:38:35 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Lol, when Hillary fist obtained her email server, there were no
procedures. Security on an MS internet connect computer was
non-existent for decades.
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email
server is running? Seriously.
You really should be careful about public displays of ignorance.
You're obviously not keeping up to date;
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/10/windows-server-2003-
in-2016-trumps-mail-servers-are-old-and-insecure/
rbowman
2016-10-22 16:35:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by news16
Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Post by Jim Wilkins
The far more serious implication is that Hillary & co lack the
discipline and maturity to comply with the admittedly annoying
procedures that protect our national secrets.
Lol, when Hillary fist obtained her email server, there were no
procedures. Security on an MS internet connect computer was
non-existent for decades.
Oh, have you red about the ancient M<S software the Donald's email
server is running? Seriously.
You really should be careful about public displays of ignorance.
You're obviously not keeping up to date;
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/10/windows-server-2003-
in-2016-trumps-mail-servers-are-old-and-insecure/
Do you have any idea how many Server 2003 machines are still up,
running, and secure? The whitehat who published the information merely
got the OS and Exchange Server information, no difficult feat. He did
not get any juicy data. Was this because he is a whitehat and wouldn't,
or because he couldn't?
news16
2016-10-24 01:35:22 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Do you have any idea how many Server 2003 machines are still up,
Same percentage as XP was?
Post by rbowman
running, and secure? The whitehat who published the information merely
got the OS and Exchange Server information, no difficult feat. He did
not get any juicy data. Was this because he is a whitehat and wouldn't,
or because he couldn't?
couldn't might be the answer.
Is 2003 still supported?
rbowman
2016-10-24 03:33:18 UTC
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Post by news16
couldn't might be the answer.
Is 2003 still supported?
No. The question is what does that mean after yuo subtract the FUD.
There will be no updates. If the applications have been running for 13
years they won't die tomorrow. There will be no security patches. That's
when you have to ask yourself about the potential risks. A third party
AV handles many of the threats. Will hackers develop new exploits of old
applications or target systems with greater market share?

Microsoft would prefer people to think end of support is end of the
world. Move to Server 2016 -- with its bag of zero day vulnerabilities
and the Win10 history of breaking things with the forced updates.

All I can say is who got hacked and who didn't? Was the DNC running
obsolete, unsupported software and that was their problem? Or were they
incompetent and careless like their star?
news16
2016-10-24 08:55:58 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by news16
couldn't might be the answer.
Is 2003 still supported?
No. The question is what does that mean after yuo subtract the FUD.
There will be no updates. If the applications have been running for 13
years they won't die tomorrow. There will be no security patches. That's
when you have to ask yourself about the potential risks. A third party
AV handles many of the threats. Will hackers develop new exploits of old
applications or target systems with greater market share?
Err, it is MS and for each release they had had to patch the same holes
again and again. They will if the numbers or importance are there.
Post by rbowman
Microsoft would prefer people to think end of support is end of the
world. Move to Server 2016 -- with its bag of zero day vulnerabilities
and the Win10 history of breaking things with the forced updates.
All I can say is who got hacked and who didn't? Was the DNC running
obsolete, unsupported software and that was their problem? Or were they
incompetent and careless
Apparently it was both sides .
rbowman
2016-10-24 13:44:16 UTC
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Post by news16
Err, it is MS and for each release they had had to patch the same holes
again and again. They will if the numbers or importance are there.
After 12 years, Server 2003 should be patched up like an old tire :)
I've got a Windows 7 laptop that hasn't been patched since MS tried to
shove Windows 10 down my throat every time I used it. It's doing as well
as it ever did, but then I don't use MS bug hotels like IE and Office.
Just Wondering
2016-10-24 19:43:07 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Err, it is MS and for each release they had had to patch the same holes
again and again. They will if the numbers or importance are there.
After 12 years, Server 2003 should be patched up like an old tire :)
I've got a Windows 7 laptop that hasn't been patched since MS tried to
shove Windows 10 down my throat every time I used it. It's doing as well
as it ever did, but then I don't use MS bug hotels like IE and Office.
I updated to Windows 10, gave it a chance for about 2 weeks, and went
back to Windows 7. Microsoft still gives free update support for
Windows 7.
PaxPerPoten
2016-10-24 22:41:23 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Err, it is MS and for each release they had had to patch the same holes
again and again. They will if the numbers or importance are there.
After 12 years, Server 2003 should be patched up like an old tire :)
I've got a Windows 7 laptop that hasn't been patched since MS tried to
shove Windows 10 down my throat every time I used it. It's doing as well
as it ever did, but then I don't use MS bug hotels like IE and Office.
Same here...I use a full blown Electronic Fire-wall and The best
Kasperski Antivirus I can buy with W7 and knock on wood..Have no
problems.. I also use a foreign server.
--
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard
the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all
ages who mean to govern well, but *They mean to govern*. They promise to
be good masters, *but they mean to be masters*. Daniel Webster
news16
2016-10-25 00:30:51 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by news16
Err, it is MS and for each release they had had to patch the same holes
again and again. They will if the numbers or importance are there.
After 12 years, Server 2003 should be patched up like an old tire :)
I'll accept your word as I don't get paid to look after MS OSs and
haven't followed the holes.

OTOH, Trump has long priors of not paying people and if someone wasn't
getting paid, they just might not have been thorough on the upgrades/
patches.
Post by rbowman
I've got a Windows 7 laptop that hasn't been patched since MS tried to
shove Windows 10 down my throat every time I used it. It's doing as well
as it ever did, but then I don't use MS bug hotels like IE and Office.
It is the add-ons that are the problem. when they start bolting on
additional capability, that is when security goes Swiss cheese.
rbowman
2016-10-25 04:28:27 UTC
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Post by news16
OTOH, Trump has long priors of not paying people and if someone wasn't
getting paid, they just might not have been thorough on the upgrades/
patches.
It's probably not the case with Trump but we have sites that don't apply
the updates very frequently. The problem is most will require a reboot
and their servers aren't going down if they can help it. Anybody who
says five nines uptime and Microsoft in the same breath is a liar.
kick ray-ray
2016-10-21 07:08:08 UTC
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Post by raykeller
Just HOURS After Debate Wikileaks Hits Hillary With Hardest Blow Yet.(Pay
for Play Email)
Young Consevatives ^ | 20 Oct 16 | Andrew Mark Miller
Posted on 10/20/2016, 9:42:41 AM by xzins
See Email at Post #1
Hillary Clinton engaged in pay for play at the State Dept.
No doubt about it.

She's still going to win. You'll have to adapt.
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rbowman
2016-10-21 14:14:50 UTC
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Post by kick ray-ray
She's still going to win. You'll have to adapt.
Oh, we will :)
Governor Swill
2016-10-24 04:26:19 UTC
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2016 00:08:08 -0700, kick ray-ray
Post by kick ray-ray
Post by raykeller
Just HOURS After Debate Wikileaks Hits Hillary With Hardest Blow Yet.(Pay
for Play Email)
Young Consevatives ^ | 20 Oct 16 | Andrew Mark Miller
Posted on 10/20/2016, 9:42:41 AM by xzins
See Email at Post #1
Hillary Clinton engaged in pay for play at the State Dept.
No she didn't.
Post by kick ray-ray
No doubt about it.
Prove it.
Post by kick ray-ray
She's still going to win. You'll have to adapt.
That's true.

Swill
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Trump/Pence 2016
Make sexual assault great again!

#imwithher #strongertogether

Hillary ought to be arrested for assault.
'Cause she kicked Trump's ass tonight.
Governor Swill
2016-10-24 03:59:03 UTC
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Just HOURS After Debate Wikileaks Hits Hillary With Hardest Blow Yet.(Pay
for Play Email) Young Consevatives ^ | 20 Oct 16 | Andrew Mark Miller
Posted on 10/20/2016, 9:42:41 AM by xzins
See Email at Post #1
Hillary Clinton engaged in pay for play at the State Dept.
No rational person can really argue that at this point.
Sure they can, because there's no evidence of it.

Swill
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Trump/Pence 2016
Make sexual assault great again!

#imwithher #strongertogether

Hillary ought to be arrested for assault.
'Cause she kicked Trump's ass tonight.
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