Post by Sue Post by CanopyCo Post by firstname.lastname@example.org
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:20:51 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
Post by Stormin Mormon
I can imagine the welfare cases (and requests for taxpayer
dollars) are way up. People who wish to control the masses
would of course want to increase the number of people on
where do you get this shit?
Likely from the rules that come with the check.
They appear to be trying to keep you from accomplishing anything as
soon as you accept the check.
Anything you do is immediately deducted from the check.
For example, if you do not get enough from the government to actually
live on and also crawl out of the ditch you are living in, you can go
get some little penny anti money.
But as soon as you earn it they deduct it from the government check,
even though you actually needed it to buy a dependable car to get you
to work, or clothing that was not stained up by the dumpster, or a
suit for a office job, ect.
Thus preventing you from advancing from the position that they let you
fall to before providing government assistance.
Take disability for example.
Many who are on disability could possibly do a little work now and
Some may even see a opportunity to make a living again once they have
access to medical treatment for a while.
But if they do any work, they are docked by disability and also
reevaluated in a attempt to remove them from the rolls.
So, if they try and fail, they are likely going to be not only removed
from disability, but it takes years to get back on again.
Thus a real incentive to not try to find a job that they can do, once
they get on the check.
In some countries they give a check for anyone not employed,
regardless of the reason of unemployment.
That would take care of anyone that needed help and would let them try
to do better without making them live in a ditch for a year or more if
OK. Here we go again. I cannot speak for Oklahoma, but in California
for those on cash aid (the type for families - not general assistance
for single people which I know little about)
I’m single, alone, no kids.
Post by Sue
earned income is *not*
deducted dollar for dollar. We start out with the gross amount,
disregard (don't count) $250 and then disregard (don't count) 1/2 of
what's left and subtract *that* amount from the cash benefit. For
Mom and 2 kids - cash aid with no other income would be $689.
Mom gets a part time job - say 20 hours a week at minimum wage which
is $8 an hour here. That's $640 gross. We subtract $250 = $390 and
less 1/2 that = $195. So mom would still get $689 - $195 = $494 cash
aid. Also, we pay her child care. So, where is that not an
Humm, lets see, the job is in Tulsa, 30+ miles away, so gas is at the
very least about $30 a week.
LA California is likely worse.
Way worse when the gas was crazy high.
I don’t think Oklahoma has kid care, but don’t really know the most
recent rules on that one, as I don’t have any kids.
The waitress / Mc Uniform cost $15 each to get the job.
Nursing homes require the same sort of thing.
Insurance for a old guy with no one but me driving is $25+ a month and
I can park the car and take off all the insurance if I don’t drive it
and shop for food local.
Maintenance is based on how nice the car was when you lost your last
Can be gobs.
Nether nursing homes or food services are required to pay minimum
wage, and minimum wage is:
For employers with fewer than 10 full-time employees at any one
location who have gross annual sales of $100,000 or less, the basic
minimum rate is $2.00 per hour, with a 50% maximum tip credit.
$6.55 basic and $3.28 if you work for cash.
To top it off, the $689 you pay her + $640 gross that she got for
working is only $1329, and that is about what it costs to raze a
family of two kids and a mom.
Then there is the factor that in Oklahoma if you live in a ditch you
have no rent, so rent is not deducted.
Yet in order to move out of the ditch you have to have first, last, &
present months rent, utilities turned on, some items of furniture, and
that doesn’t come out of the deductions until you manage to save it up
and then spend it.
It is not factored in as a expense until it is actually spent.
Thus it is not likely to be saved up when they don’t make enough to
live on in the first place.
Post by Sue
I haven't done cash aid in years but IIRC even state disability
benefits are treated like earned income with the same deductions.
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Did I mention that Oklahoma DHS is under the thumb right now for not
doing there job correctly?
They are looking at a total restructuring with heads rolling.
Part of what set it off was the fact that Oklahoma removes more kids
from there family then any other state.
I know for a fact that much of it is uncalled for.