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Nazi Gun Control
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Ray Keller
2013-01-10 20:20:55 UTC
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Nazi Gun Control


"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the
subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have
allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall
by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to
the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So
let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will
bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout
the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points
must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler


...excerpt...

Armed citizens were hurting the Nazis, who took the sternest measures. The
Nazis imposed the death penalty on a Pole or Jew: "If he is in unlawful
possession of firearms, . . . or if he has credible information that a Pole
or a Jew is in unlawful possession of such objects, and fails to notify the
authorities forthwith."

Given the above facts, it is not difficult to understand why the National
Rifle Association opposed gun registration at the time and still does. The
American Riflemen for February 1942 reported:

From Berlin on January 6th the German official radio broadcast--"The
German military commander for Belgium and Northern France announced
yesterday that the population would be given a last opportunity to surrender
firearms without penalty up to January 20th and after that date anyone found
in possession of arms would be executed."

So the Nazi invaders set a deadline similar to that announced months ago
in Czecho-Slovakia, in Poland, in Norway, in Romania, in Yugo-Slavia, in
Greece.

How often have we read the familiar dispatches "Gestapo agents accompanied
by Nazi troopers swooped down on shops and homes and confiscated all
privately-owned firearms!"

What an aid and comfort to the invaders and to their Fifth Column cohorts
have been the convenient registration lists of privately owned
firearms--lists readily available for the copying or stealing at the Town
Hall in most European cities.

What a constant worry and danger to the Hun and his Quislings have been
the privately owned firearms in the homes of those few citizens who have
"neglected" to register their guns!16

During the war years the Rifleman regularly included pleas for American
sportsmen to "send a gun to defend a British home. British civilians, faced
with the threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their
homes." Indeed, the New York Times carried the same solicitations. After two
decades of gun control, British citizens now desperately needed rifles and
pistols in their homes, and they received the gifts with great appreciation.
Organized into the Home Guard, armed citizens were now ready to resist the
expected Nazi onslaught.


...


Timely review of history -- good read
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-10 20:51:06 UTC
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Post by Ray Keller
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Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.

Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.

The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.

Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Debbie
2013-01-10 21:32:08 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-10 22:08:56 UTC
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Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
way I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................

List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.

Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Debbie
2013-01-10 22:08:43 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
way I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-10 22:45:15 UTC
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Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?

Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
b***@yahoo.com
2013-01-10 23:45:00 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
When Britain was threatened with invasion by Nazis, government called
for a Civil Defense to defend the home land. Home Guard was composed
of the elderly and wounded who couldn't enlist. But they were only
armed with a limiited number of private weapons.

Canadian law recently has allowed more liberal purchase and
registration of long guns. Who advocated that?
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 01:34:46 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
When Britain was threatened with invasion by Nazis, government called
for a Civil Defense to defend the home land.  Home Guard was composed
of the elderly and wounded who couldn't enlist.  But they were only
armed with a limiited number of private weapons.
Your founding fathers defeated the British with muskets. It helped
when you had a large militia with a lot of muskets so you could
outnumber the Red Coats when dueling muskets Your Second Amendment
was written with muskets in mind.

Time has changed. You cannot ward off a full scale invasion by arming
the citizenry with small arms. Do you remember the US defeated Japan
in WWII without invading their homeland? So it would have been useless
if the Japanese civilians had small arms. And after Germany
surrendered, the allies didn't have to shoot their way through every
alley to neutralize the citizenry. So the pro-gun people's position of
arming themselves against potential foreign invasion is a farce.
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Canadian law recently has allowed more liberal purchase and
registration of long guns.  Who advocated that?
In Canada, it was relatively easy to obtain a hunting rifle. The
Federal government requires the gun buyer to apply for a "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate". There will be background checks. After you
have obtained the certificate, then a gun shop can legally sell you a
rifle when you produce the certificate. Some provinces may require the
buyer to have a proof of firearm handling training too.

So people were able to legally buy a gun with the Federal "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate" without registering the ownership of the gun.
In about year 2000 (?) "Long Gun Registry" was introduced so that all
long gun owners were required to register their rifles.

Canada recently amended the gun laws to scrap the "Long Gun Registry".
The problem with the registry program is that it cost more than $100
million a year to run. It is mind boggling how they could spend $100
million a year just to maintain a simple list of long gun owners.

In Canada, hand guns are "restricted weapons", while automatic and
military style rifles are "prohibited weapons".

http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/gunlaws.htm
//
Changes to the Canadian Firearms Program

On April 5, 2012, Bill C-19, Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act, came
into effect. The key changes are as follows:

Removal of the requirement to register non-restricted firearms
Destruction of the existing non-restricted firearms registration
records
Allowing the transferor of a non-restricted firearm to obtain
confirmation of a transferee’s firearms acquisition licence prior to
the transfer being finalized

Until further notice, due to a Court Order issued by the Quebec
Superior Court, residents of Quebec are still required to register non-
restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.

It is important to note that the new law does not change the
requirement for all individuals to hold a licence in order to possess
a firearm. The licensing, safety training and safe storage
requirements for anyone who uses or owns a firearm continue to be in
force.

The legislation also does not impact registration requirements for
restricted or prohibited firearms.
//
b***@yahoo.com
2013-01-11 03:32:50 UTC
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Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
When Britain was threatened with invasion by Nazis, government called
for a Civil Defense to defend the home land.  Home Guard was composed
of the elderly and wounded who couldn't enlist.  But they were only
armed with a limiited number of private weapons.
Your founding fathers defeated the British with muskets. It helped
when you had a large militia with a lot of muskets so you could
outnumber the Red Coats when dueling muskets Your Second Amendment
was written with muskets in mind.
Time has changed. You cannot ward off a full scale invasion by arming
the citizenry with small arms. Do you remember the US defeated Japan
in WWII without invading their homeland? So it would have been useless
if the Japanese civilians had small arms. And after Germany
surrendered, the allies didn't have to shoot their way through every
alley to neutralize the citizenry. So the pro-gun people's position of
arming themselves against potential foreign invasion is a farce.
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Canadian law recently has allowed more liberal purchase and
registration of long guns.  Who advocated that?
In Canada, it was relatively easy to obtain a hunting rifle. The
Federal government requires the gun buyer to apply for a "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate". There will be background checks. After you
have obtained the certificate, then a gun shop can legally sell you a
rifle when you produce the certificate. Some provinces may require the
buyer to have a proof of firearm handling training too.
So people were able to legally buy a gun with the Federal "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate" without registering the ownership of the gun.
In about year 2000 (?) "Long Gun Registry" was introduced so that all
long gun owners were required to register their rifles.
Canada recently amended the gun laws to scrap the "Long Gun Registry".
The problem with the registry program is that it cost more than $100
million a year to run. It is mind boggling how they could spend $100
million a year just to maintain a simple list of long gun owners.
In Canada, hand guns are "restricted weapons", while automatic and
military style rifles are "prohibited weapons".
http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/gunlaws.htm
//
Changes to the Canadian Firearms Program
On April 5, 2012, Bill C-19, Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act, came
Removal of the requirement to register non-restricted firearms
Destruction of the existing non-restricted firearms registration
records
Allowing the transferor of a non-restricted firearm to obtain
confirmation of a transferee’s firearms acquisition licence prior to
the transfer being finalized
Until further notice, due to a Court Order issued by the Quebec
Superior Court, residents of Quebec are still required to register non-
restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.
It is important to note that the new law does not change the
requirement for all individuals to hold a licence in order to possess
a firearm. The licensing, safety training and safe storage
requirements for anyone who uses or owns a firearm continue to be in
force.
The legislation also does not impact registration requirements for
restricted or prohibited firearms.
You were advocating turning in all weapons, not handguns, so my
question is whether you recognize how important the AK-47 is to
freedom movements around the world? Number of AK-47s in the US is
very high, too, I think. That's the reality faced today, not muskets
and black powder. Now, if you were advocating limits then faced in
the 18th century, I would agree. Could hunt and defend with that.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
//
Ray Keller
2013-01-11 04:07:43 UTC
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Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:34:46 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
When Britain was threatened with invasion by Nazis, government called
for a Civil Defense to defend the home land. Home Guard was composed
of the elderly and wounded who couldn't enlist. But they were only
armed with a limiited number of private weapons.
Your founding fathers defeated the British with muskets. It helped
when you had a large militia with a lot of muskets so you could
outnumber the Red Coats when dueling muskets Your Second Amendment
was written with muskets in mind.
Actualy the brits had mostly muskets.
We had a good percentage of rifles that out ranged the muskets and were far
more accurate
The white crossed suspenders over red coats made for some realy good aim
points
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Time has changed. You cannot ward off a full scale invasion by arming
the citizenry with small arms. Do you remember the US defeated Japan
in WWII without invading their homeland? So it would have been useless
if the Japanese civilians had small arms. And after Germany
surrendered, the allies didn't have to shoot their way through every
alley to neutralize the citizenry. So the pro-gun people's position of
arming themselves against potential foreign invasion is a farce.
I seem to remember a japanese admiral's quopte about "every blade of grass
having a rifle behind it"

The 2nd reads the right to keep and bear arms....not muskets or rifles
arms means among other things the common implements of the soldier...no time
frame was specified limiting it to the weapons when it was written
If another country would be stupid enough to invade us and the militia was
called up they would be faceing somewhere in the neighbourhood of 100
million guns.
There have been lots of small companys producing 50 BMG rifles for well over
20 years now...sniper rifles with well over a mile range capable of
destroying light armor....all in civilian hands.
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Canadian law recently has allowed more liberal purchase and
registration of long guns. Who advocated that?
In Canada, it was relatively easy to obtain a hunting rifle. The
Federal government requires the gun buyer to apply for a "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate". There will be background checks. After you
have obtained the certificate, then a gun shop can legally sell you a
rifle when you produce the certificate. Some provinces may require the
buyer to have a proof of firearm handling training too.
So people were able to legally buy a gun with the Federal "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate" without registering the ownership of the gun.
In about year 2000 (?) "Long Gun Registry" was introduced so that all
long gun owners were required to register their rifles.
Canada recently amended the gun laws to scrap the "Long Gun Registry".
The problem with the registry program is that it cost more than $100
million a year to run. It is mind boggling how they could spend $100
million a year just to maintain a simple list of long gun owners.
In Canada, hand guns are "restricted weapons", while automatic and
military style rifles are "prohibited weapons".
http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/gunlaws.htm
//
Changes to the Canadian Firearms Program
On April 5, 2012, Bill C-19, Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act, came
Removal of the requirement to register non-restricted firearms
Destruction of the existing non-restricted firearms registration
records
Allowing the transferor of a non-restricted firearm to obtain
confirmation of a transferee's firearms acquisition licence prior to
the transfer being finalized
Until further notice, due to a Court Order issued by the Quebec
Superior Court, residents of Quebec are still required to register non-
restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.
It is important to note that the new law does not change the
requirement for all individuals to hold a licence in order to possess
a firearm. The licensing, safety training and safe storage
requirements for anyone who uses or owns a firearm continue to be in
force.
The legislation also does not impact registration requirements for
restricted or prohibited firearms.
You were advocating turning in all weapons, not handguns, so my
question is whether you recognize how important the AK-47 is to
freedom movements around the world? Number of AK-47s in the US is
very high, too, I think. That's the reality faced today, not muskets
and black powder. Now, if you were advocating limits then faced in
the 18th century, I would agree. Could hunt and defend with that.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
//
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 06:23:25 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:34:46 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your founding fathers defeated the British with muskets. It helped
when you had a large militia with a lot of muskets so you could
outnumber the Red Coats when dueling muskets  Your Second Amendment
was written with muskets in mind.
Actualy the brits had mostly muskets.
We had a good percentage of rifles that out ranged the muskets and were far
more accurate
The white crossed suspenders over red coats made for some realy good aim
points
"Rifled" muskets are muskets. You get a little better accuracy with
rifle lines inside the bore.
Post by Ray Keller
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Time has changed. You cannot ward off a full scale invasion by arming
the citizenry with small arms. Do you remember the US defeated Japan
in WWII without invading their homeland? So it would have been useless
if the Japanese civilians had small arms. And after Germany
surrendered, the allies didn't have to shoot their way through every
alley to neutralize the citizenry. So the pro-gun people's position of
arming themselves against potential foreign invasion is a farce.
I seem to remember a japanese admiral's quopte about "every blade of grass
having a rifle behind it"
No use. The US dropped atomic bombs and they surrendered. Your own
guns won't be used in defending against an invasion either. There
won't be one. WWIII will be all nuclear.
Post by Ray Keller
The 2nd reads the right to keep and bear arms....not muskets or rifles
arms means among other things the common implements of the soldier...no time
frame was specified limiting it to the weapons when it was written
If the Second Amendment is construed as a sacred legal document then
muskets and common implements available at the time it was written
will be the limitation of the kind of arms you have the right to bear.
Maybe you should learn how fight with spade and fork, and muzzle
loading your musket really fast.
Post by Ray Keller
If another country would be stupid enough to invade us and the militia was
called up they would be faceing somewhere in the neighbourhood of 100
million guns.
There have been lots of small companys producing 50 BMG rifles for well over
20 years now...sniper rifles with well over a mile range capable of
destroying light armor....all in civilian hands.
You are talking nonsense again. There will be no foreign invasion for
you to defend against with your assault rifles. WWIII will be a
nuclear war. Your guns are used by criminals and gun-nuts to kill your
friends and children now. Stop believing and propagating GOP and NRA
lies.
rbowman
2013-01-11 14:59:18 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
"Rifled" muskets are muskets. You get a little better accuracy with
rifle lines inside the bore.
c. 1775, muskets were smoothbore by definition. Decades later, with the
invention of the Minie ball, some were retrofitted with rifling. This led to
a class of long guns that resembled muskets but were rifled out of the box
that were called 'rifle-muskets', easier to load than a rifle because of the
new projectile design. Cap locks also replaced the less reliable flint
locks.

So, you are correct in one part, but the rifle-musket did not exist for the
Revolutionary War. I shot a replica of the British Land Pattern Musket, aka
the Brown Bess. With the stout trigger pull, long lock time, and extremely
rudimentary sighting system, you come to understand why it was a volley fire
weapon.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 05:52:11 UTC
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Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:34:46 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
When Britain was threatened with invasion by Nazis, government called
for a Civil Defense to defend the home land.  Home Guard was composed
of the elderly and wounded who couldn't enlist.  But they were only
armed with a limiited number of private weapons.
Your founding fathers defeated the British with muskets. It helped
when you had a large militia with a lot of muskets so you could
outnumber the Red Coats when dueling muskets  Your Second Amendment
was written with muskets in mind.
Time has changed. You cannot ward off a full scale invasion by arming
the citizenry with small arms. Do you remember the US defeated Japan
in WWII without invading their homeland? So it would have been useless
if the Japanese civilians had small arms. And after Germany
surrendered, the allies didn't have to shoot their way through every
alley to neutralize the citizenry. So the pro-gun people's position of
arming themselves against potential foreign invasion is a farce.
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Canadian law recently has allowed more liberal purchase and
registration of long guns.  Who advocated that?
In Canada, it was relatively easy to obtain a hunting rifle. The
Federal government requires the gun buyer to apply for a "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate". There will be background checks. After you
have obtained the certificate, then a gun shop can legally sell you a
rifle when you produce the certificate. Some provinces may require the
buyer to have a proof of firearm handling training too.
So people were able to legally buy a gun with the Federal "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate" without registering the ownership of the gun.
In about year 2000 (?) "Long Gun Registry" was introduced so that all
long gun owners were required to register their rifles.
Canada recently amended the gun laws to scrap the "Long Gun Registry".
The problem with the registry program is that it cost more than $100
million a year to run. It is mind boggling how they could spend $100
million a year just to maintain a simple list of long gun owners.
In Canada, hand guns are "restricted weapons", while automatic and
military style rifles are "prohibited weapons".
 http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/gunlaws.htm
//
Changes to the Canadian Firearms Program
On April 5, 2012, Bill C-19, Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act, came
   Removal of the requirement to register non-restricted firearms
   Destruction of the existing non-restricted firearms registration
records
   Allowing the transferor of a non-restricted firearm to obtain
confirmation of a transferee’s firearms acquisition licence prior to
the transfer being finalized
Until further notice, due to a Court Order issued by the Quebec
Superior Court, residents of Quebec are still required to register non-
restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.
It is important to note that the new law does not change the
requirement for all individuals to hold a licence in order to possess
a firearm. The licensing, safety training and safe storage
requirements for anyone who uses or owns a firearm continue to be in
force.
The legislation also does not impact registration requirements for
restricted or prohibited firearms.
You were advocating turning in all weapons, not handguns, so my
question is whether you recognize how important the AK-47 is to
freedom movements around the world?  Number of AK-47s in the US is
very high, too, I think.  That's the reality faced today, not muskets
and black powder.  Now, if you were advocating limits then faced in
the 18th century, I would agree.  Could hunt and defend with that.
So now your are talking about freedom movement. Do you know that you
have a mature democracy with free elections? Do you understand that
the GOP and the NRA's underlying messages is: "If I don't get my way
in a free election then I will use my guns" ?
b***@yahoo.com
2013-01-11 07:51:06 UTC
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:52:11 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:34:46 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
When Britain was threatened with invasion by Nazis, government called
for a Civil Defense to defend the home land.  Home Guard was composed
of the elderly and wounded who couldn't enlist.  But they were only
armed with a limiited number of private weapons.
Your founding fathers defeated the British with muskets. It helped
when you had a large militia with a lot of muskets so you could
outnumber the Red Coats when dueling muskets  Your Second Amendment
was written with muskets in mind.
Time has changed. You cannot ward off a full scale invasion by arming
the citizenry with small arms. Do you remember the US defeated Japan
in WWII without invading their homeland? So it would have been useless
if the Japanese civilians had small arms. And after Germany
surrendered, the allies didn't have to shoot their way through every
alley to neutralize the citizenry. So the pro-gun people's position of
arming themselves against potential foreign invasion is a farce.
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Canadian law recently has allowed more liberal purchase and
registration of long guns.  Who advocated that?
In Canada, it was relatively easy to obtain a hunting rifle. The
Federal government requires the gun buyer to apply for a "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate". There will be background checks. After you
have obtained the certificate, then a gun shop can legally sell you a
rifle when you produce the certificate. Some provinces may require the
buyer to have a proof of firearm handling training too.
So people were able to legally buy a gun with the Federal "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate" without registering the ownership of the gun.
In about year 2000 (?) "Long Gun Registry" was introduced so that all
long gun owners were required to register their rifles.
Canada recently amended the gun laws to scrap the "Long Gun Registry".
The problem with the registry program is that it cost more than $100
million a year to run. It is mind boggling how they could spend $100
million a year just to maintain a simple list of long gun owners.
In Canada, hand guns are "restricted weapons", while automatic and
military style rifles are "prohibited weapons".
 http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/gunlaws.htm
//
Changes to the Canadian Firearms Program
On April 5, 2012, Bill C-19, Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act, came
   Removal of the requirement to register non-restricted firearms
   Destruction of the existing non-restricted firearms registration
records
   Allowing the transferor of a non-restricted firearm to obtain
confirmation of a transferee’s firearms acquisition licence prior to
the transfer being finalized
Until further notice, due to a Court Order issued by the Quebec
Superior Court, residents of Quebec are still required to register non-
restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.
It is important to note that the new law does not change the
requirement for all individuals to hold a licence in order to possess
a firearm. The licensing, safety training and safe storage
requirements for anyone who uses or owns a firearm continue to be in
force.
The legislation also does not impact registration requirements for
restricted or prohibited firearms.
You were advocating turning in all weapons, not handguns, so my
question is whether you recognize how important the AK-47 is to
freedom movements around the world?  Number of AK-47s in the US is
very high, too, I think.  That's the reality faced today, not muskets
and black powder.  Now, if you were advocating limits then faced in
the 18th century, I would agree.  Could hunt and defend with that.
So now your are talking about freedom movement. Do you know that you
have a mature democracy with free elections? Do you understand that
the GOP and the NRA's underlying messages is: "If I don't get my way
in a free election then I will use my guns" ?
I doubt that's true, but you may have some awareness of unrest in the
United States. Been a problem since the NEA was taken over back in
the '60s in a special vote that established the education without
standards agenda we have for the "touchy, feely" lot doing free
lunches and home care. Our education system is admittedly not
democratic.

Problem with the FBI and certain members of its oversight committee
since the Randy Weaver affair and the firestorm at Waco. Problem with
the addition of several new layers of expensive Homeland-type
neo-Nazis. Now the repeated assault on gun possession and the 2nd
Amendment.

Problem with US foreign affairs agenda using military agression and
"world policeman" mindsets. Repeated blatent lies by government
concerning its police actions of un-declared war in the Middle East
and before that. Continual corruption in US Congress by
wheeler-dealers specializing in conflicts of interest. Collusion of
government and special interest groups since Eisenhour's alert about
the Military Industrial Complex.

Problems with needed reforms of elections and congress, especially
about the "two-party system", where voters get a choice about like the
home buyers get to choose which of the three houses to buy. Now our
Supreme Court affirms all the bailouts and stimulus package
strategies.

Now we've gone over "The Wall" of deficit spending adding up to more
than we can ever repay, and you ask about how pleased we should be
with "free elections"?

Maybe you can discern how satisfied US is with its economy about the
time "civil unrest" in cities across the nation occur. Don't forget
that when it happened before, Canadian cities seemed to be on the same
wavelength.

Another diatribe by bookburn. Thanks, I feel better now.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 08:18:30 UTC
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Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:52:11 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:34:46 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
When Britain was threatened with invasion by Nazis, government called
for a Civil Defense to defend the home land.  Home Guard was composed
of the elderly and wounded who couldn't enlist.  But they were only
armed with a limiited number of private weapons.
Your founding fathers defeated the British with muskets. It helped
when you had a large militia with a lot of muskets so you could
outnumber the Red Coats when dueling muskets  Your Second Amendment
was written with muskets in mind.
Time has changed. You cannot ward off a full scale invasion by arming
the citizenry with small arms. Do you remember the US defeated Japan
in WWII without invading their homeland? So it would have been useless
if the Japanese civilians had small arms. And after Germany
surrendered, the allies didn't have to shoot their way through every
alley to neutralize the citizenry. So the pro-gun people's position of
arming themselves against potential foreign invasion is a farce.
Post by b***@yahoo.com
Canadian law recently has allowed more liberal purchase and
registration of long guns.  Who advocated that?
In Canada, it was relatively easy to obtain a hunting rifle. The
Federal government requires the gun buyer to apply for a "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate". There will be background checks. After you
have obtained the certificate, then a gun shop can legally sell you a
rifle when you produce the certificate. Some provinces may require the
buyer to have a proof of firearm handling training too.
So people were able to legally buy a gun with the Federal "Firearm
Acquisition Certificate" without registering the ownership of the gun.
In about year 2000 (?) "Long Gun Registry" was introduced so that all
long gun owners were required to register their rifles.
Canada recently amended the gun laws to scrap the "Long Gun Registry".
The problem with the registry program is that it cost more than $100
million a year to run. It is mind boggling how they could spend $100
million a year just to maintain a simple list of long gun owners.
In Canada, hand guns are "restricted weapons", while automatic and
military style rifles are "prohibited weapons".
 http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/gunlaws.htm
//
Changes to the Canadian Firearms Program
On April 5, 2012, Bill C-19, Ending the Long-Gun Registry Act, came
   Removal of the requirement to register non-restricted firearms
   Destruction of the existing non-restricted firearms registration
records
   Allowing the transferor of a non-restricted firearm to obtain
confirmation of a transferee’s firearms acquisition licence prior to
the transfer being finalized
Until further notice, due to a Court Order issued by the Quebec
Superior Court, residents of Quebec are still required to register non-
restricted firearms with the RCMP Canadian Firearms Program.
It is important to note that the new law does not change the
requirement for all individuals to hold a licence in order to possess
a firearm. The licensing, safety training and safe storage
requirements for anyone who uses or owns a firearm continue to be in
force.
The legislation also does not impact registration requirements for
restricted or prohibited firearms.
You were advocating turning in all weapons, not handguns, so my
question is whether you recognize how important the AK-47 is to
freedom movements around the world?  Number of AK-47s in the US is
very high, too, I think.  That's the reality faced today, not muskets
and black powder.  Now, if you were advocating limits then faced in
the 18th century, I would agree.  Could hunt and defend with that.
So now your are talking about freedom movement. Do you know that you
have a mature democracy with free elections? Do you understand that
the GOP and the NRA's underlying messages is: "If I don't get my way
in a free election then I will use my guns" ?
I doubt that's true, but you may have some awareness of unrest in the
United States.  Been a problem since the NEA was taken over back in
the '60s in a special vote that established the education without
standards agenda we have for the "touchy, feely" lot doing free
lunches and home care.  Our education system is admittedly not
democratic.
Problem with the FBI and certain members of its oversight committee
since the Randy Weaver affair and the firestorm at Waco.  Problem with
the addition of several new layers of expensive Homeland-type
neo-Nazis.  Now the repeated assault on gun possession and the 2nd
Amendment.
Problem with US foreign affairs agenda using military agression and
"world policeman" mindsets.  Repeated blatent lies by government
concerning its police actions of un-declared war in the Middle East
and before that.  Continual corruption in US Congress by
wheeler-dealers specializing in conflicts of interest.  Collusion of
government and special interest groups since Eisenhour's alert about
the Military Industrial Complex.
Problems with needed reforms of elections and congress, especially
about the "two-party system", where voters get a choice about like the
home buyers get to choose which of the three houses to buy.  Now our
Supreme Court affirms all the bailouts and stimulus package
strategies.
Now we've gone over "The Wall" of deficit spending adding up to more
than we can ever repay, and you ask about how pleased we should be
with "free elections"?
Maybe you can discern how satisfied US is with its economy about the
time "civil unrest" in cities across the nation occur.  Don't forget
that when it happened before, Canadian cities seemed to be on the same
wavelength.
Another diatribe by bookburn.  Thanks, I feel better now.
I fully understand and sympathize with what you are saying. Your
political system has been hijacked by money brokers through
"lobbying", which is basically open bribery rather than passing money
under the table.

You need to change the political system from within rather than
without. When the citizenry is smartening up, they will learn to spot
the liars in their politicians and vote the good guys in. However that
is difficult to do because you have too many bonehead GOP supporters
who would swallow all of the GOP lies, hook, line, and sinker. You
need a few decades of Liberal/Democrats in power to reverse all the
damage done by the evil GOP.
rbowman
2013-01-11 14:44:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mighty Wannabe
So now your are talking about freedom movement. Do you know that you
have a mature democracy with free elections? Do you understand that
the GOP and the NRA's underlying messages is: "If I don't get my way
in a free election then I will use my guns" ?
Free elections? It takes about a billion dollars to buy one these days.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 15:48:04 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Mighty Wannabe
So now your are talking about freedom movement. Do you know that you
have a mature democracy with free elections? Do you understand that
the GOP and the NRA's underlying messages is: "If I don't get my way
in a free election then I will use my guns" ?
Free elections? It takes about a billion dollars to buy one these days.
It does seem your elections can be bought. I have watched some of the
GOP bogyman ads on CNN which were so laughable that it is impossible
for someone to fall for those lies (apparently if they repeat enough
times someone would), like the one with a Chinese professor joking
about US borrowing money from them, and the one with an Eastern
European immigrant "making a success of himself in America" and that
taxing the rich is "punishing success" and the US social programs is a
"slippery slope towards socialism" (although the ads used the word
"Socialism" but the implication is "Communism").
Ray Keller
2013-01-11 02:56:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
why I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you
are Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
Another outright lie
Most drug cartell guns in mexico are comblock....AK pattern other than M16's
taken from the mexican army by deserters
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 06:45:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by b***@yahoo.com
On Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:45:15 -0800 (PST), Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Not exactly true. Our two countries have really porous borders, and
all our illegal guns on the street are American guns, not British,
German, or Russian guns. Do you know all the guns used in crimes in
Mexican are also American guns?
 Another outright lie
Most drug cartell guns in mexico are comblock....AK pattern other than M16's
taken from the mexican army by deserters
You are caught lying again. The Mexican army uses mostly American and
German guns:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Army#Individual_weapons_and_equipment


The Mexican drug cartels use American guns:
http://blog.chron.com/narcoconfidential/2012/02/atf-the-favorite-guns-of-mexican-drug-cartels/
//
The agency has repeatedly said these guns are most commonly traced
from organized crime scenes south of the border back to a U.S. point
of origin, even if some were legally imported to the United States
before being sold by a weapons dealer and then smuggled into Mexico.
//
Ray Keller
2013-01-11 02:51:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
way I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you are
Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
I am betting he is one of the cowards that fled from the draft in the 60's
or 70's.
Considering that 2/3 of canadians refused to register their guns, When it
hits the fan here the odds are real good that it will spill over into Canada
as well....freedome is contagious.
It will be real funny if he is hunted down and killed by a Canadian freedome
fighter.
<VBG>
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 06:51:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ray Keller
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Yes, we were the Red Coats that your founding fathers defeated. That's
way I am telling you that the British are not coming, but the GOP and
NRA keep using the Red Coats as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into
buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass shootings and
then they use the Red Coats and the Nazis as bogymen to scare you
sheeple into buying more guns and you end up with more gun-nut mass
shootings and then they use the Red Coats, the Nazis, and the Commies
as bogeymen to scare you sheeple into buying more guns and you end up
with more gun-nut mass shootings and then they use ................
List to me. The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. The
Commies are not coming.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
I am not worried about Canadians, Red coats, Nazis or Commies. If you are
Canadian you don't have a dog in this fight.
I am betting he is one of the cowards that fled from the draft in the 60's
or 70's.
Considering that 2/3 of canadians refused to register their guns, When it
hits the fan here the odds are real good that it will spill over into Canada
as well....freedome is contagious.
It will be real funny if he is hunted down and killed by a Canadian freedome
fighter.
<VBG>
There is no need for freedom fighters in our two countries. Our
political parties duke it out in free elections. Even our anarchists
are not using guns. Guns are used by criminals and gun-nuts in crimes
and mass shootings to kill innocent civilians.
rbowman
2013-01-11 15:02:05 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
There is no need for freedom fighters in our two countries. Our
political parties duke it out in free elections.
You means those charades where two versions of the same thing put on a good
show for hoi polloi before settling down to do whatever they damn well
please?
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 15:52:09 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
There is no need for freedom fighters in our two countries. Our
political parties duke it out in free elections.
You means those charades where two versions of the same thing put on a good
show for hoi polloi before settling down to do whatever they damn well
please?
Yeah, but people lap it all up.
rbowman
2013-01-12 02:35:11 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Yeah, but people lap it all up.
Always have, always will. Like Plato pointed out, you just need a good story
to feed the dummies.
chasseur
2013-01-11 00:49:04 UTC
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Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Unfortunaly he does and in a city well known for its anti-gun
politicians and a police force well known for its lack of respect for
citizens (remember the G-20 Wannabe???). He understands nothing of
guerilla warfare, the various historical resistance movements in
occupied Europe circa 1940-1944, and he reminds me of the European
peaceniks who clamored ''better Red than Dead'' during the sixties.
Finally he understands nothing of the fact that through out history the
mark of the free has always been to keep and bear arms, whereas the
opposite is the lot of the slave. The fact that he is ready to trade
anything for what he perceives as a ticket to personal security only
puts him in the category of those who are presently forging iron collars
that his masters will eventually clamp on his neck to the end.

Chasseur
Quebec
Canada
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 01:49:16 UTC
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Post by chasseur
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Unfortunaly he does and in a city well known for its anti-gun
politicians and a police force well known for its lack of respect for
citizens (remember the G-20 Wannabe???). He understands nothing of
guerilla warfare, the various historical resistance movements in
occupied Europe circa 1940-1944, and he reminds me of the European
peaceniks who clamored ''better Red than Dead'' during the sixties.
Finally he understands nothing of the fact that through out history the
mark of the free has always been to keep and bear arms, whereas the
opposite is the lot of the slave. The fact that he is ready to trade
anything for what he perceives as a ticket to personal security only
puts him in the category of those who are presently forging iron collars
that his masters will eventually clamp on his neck to the end.
Chasseur
Quebec
Canada
You may want to check your calendar to see that this is year 2013. You
are living in the past. The British are not coming. The Germans are
not coming. The Commies are not coming. If ever there will be a WWIII,
it will be a nuclear war and most of us will be dead.
chasseur
2013-01-11 02:05:23 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by chasseur
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Unfortunaly he does and in a city well known for its anti-gun
politicians and a police force well known for its lack of respect for
citizens (remember the G-20 Wannabe???). He understands nothing of
guerilla warfare, the various historical resistance movements in
occupied Europe circa 1940-1944, and he reminds me of the European
peaceniks who clamored ''better Red than Dead'' during the sixties.
Finally he understands nothing of the fact that through out history the
mark of the free has always been to keep and bear arms, whereas the
opposite is the lot of the slave. The fact that he is ready to trade
anything for what he perceives as a ticket to personal security only
puts him in the category of those who are presently forging iron collars
that his masters will eventually clamp on his neck to the end.
Chasseur
Quebec
Canada
You may want to check your calendar to see that this is year 2013. You
are living in the past. The British are not coming. The Germans are
not coming. The Commies are not coming. If ever there will be a WWIII,
it will be a nuclear war and most of us will be dead.
Tell me something, when was the first nuclear weapon deployed and how
many nuclear wars have we had so far?????? Do you understand the
indications and limitations for nuclear warfare???

Chasseur
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 05:37:06 UTC
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Post by chasseur
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by chasseur
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Unfortunaly he does and in a city well known for its anti-gun
politicians and a police force well known for its lack of respect for
citizens (remember the G-20 Wannabe???). He understands nothing of
guerilla warfare, the various historical resistance movements in
occupied Europe circa 1940-1944, and he reminds me of the European
peaceniks who clamored ''better Red than Dead'' during the sixties.
Finally he understands nothing of the fact that through out history the
mark of the free has always been to keep and bear arms, whereas the
opposite is the lot of the slave. The fact that he is ready to trade
anything for what he perceives as a ticket to personal security only
puts him in the category of those who are presently forging iron collars
that his masters will eventually clamp on his neck to the end.
Chasseur
Quebec
Canada
You may want to check your calendar to see that this is year 2013. You
are living in the past. The British are not coming. The Germans are
not coming. The Commies are not coming. If ever there will be a WWIII,
it will be a nuclear war and most of us will be dead.
Tell me something, when was the first nuclear weapon deployed and how
many nuclear wars have we had so far?????? Do you understand the
indications and limitations for nuclear warfare???
Chasseur
Apparently you don't.

It was the threat of mutual assured destruction (MAD) that prevented
WWIII during the Cold War. Do you know how close we came to creating a
nuclear winter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III#Historical_close_calls
chasseur
2013-01-11 15:18:28 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by chasseur
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by chasseur
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Unfortunaly he does and in a city well known for its anti-gun
politicians and a police force well known for its lack of respect for
citizens (remember the G-20 Wannabe???). He understands nothing of
guerilla warfare, the various historical resistance movements in
occupied Europe circa 1940-1944, and he reminds me of the European
peaceniks who clamored ''better Red than Dead'' during the sixties.
Finally he understands nothing of the fact that through out history the
mark of the free has always been to keep and bear arms, whereas the
opposite is the lot of the slave. The fact that he is ready to trade
anything for what he perceives as a ticket to personal security only
puts him in the category of those who are presently forging iron collars
that his masters will eventually clamp on his neck to the end.
Chasseur
Quebec
Canada
You may want to check your calendar to see that this is year 2013. You
are living in the past. The British are not coming. The Germans are
not coming. The Commies are not coming. If ever there will be a WWIII,
it will be a nuclear war and most of us will be dead.
Tell me something, when was the first nuclear weapon deployed and how
many nuclear wars have we had so far?????? Do you understand the
indications and limitations for nuclear warfare???
Chasseur
Apparently you don't.
It was the threat of mutual assured destruction (MAD) that prevented
WWIII during the Cold War. Do you know how close we came to creating a
nuclear winter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III#Historical_close_calls
The introduction of MAD here has no pertinence in the present
discussion. In fact there have been dozens of low grade wars since 1945
and none of these armed conflicts have involved the use of nuclear
weapons. That being said, history is full of examples of people being
abused by their own governments and not being able to defend themselves
for lack of the proper tools (arms). The same goes for the day to day
abuse of the citizenry by common criminals. If you wish to surrender
your guns, assuming you have any, by all means do so and keep your
preaching to yourself. Ultimately, freedom and the simple preservation
of life rest on a precarious balance between the potential for abuse by
governments and criminals and the potential for defense and retaliation
by the abused. There is here in Canada an abundance of your kind (naive
and of limited personal fortitude) who think that if guns are
eliminated, the government and the police will protect you, mass murder
will come to an end etc. etc. You have a lot to learn but I for one will
not agree that you can do it at my expense.

Chasseur
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 16:07:44 UTC
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Post by chasseur
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by chasseur
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by chasseur
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Unfortunaly he does and in a city well known for its anti-gun
politicians and a police force well known for its lack of respect for
citizens (remember the G-20 Wannabe???). He understands nothing of
guerilla warfare, the various historical resistance movements in
occupied Europe circa 1940-1944, and he reminds me of the European
peaceniks who clamored ''better Red than Dead'' during the sixties.
Finally he understands nothing of the fact that through out history the
mark of the free has always been to keep and bear arms, whereas the
opposite is the lot of the slave. The fact that he is ready to trade
anything for what he perceives as a ticket to personal security only
puts him in the category of those who are presently forging iron collars
that his masters will eventually clamp on his neck to the end.
Chasseur
Quebec
Canada
You may want to check your calendar to see that this is year 2013. You
are living in the past. The British are not coming. The Germans are
not coming. The Commies are not coming. If ever there will be a WWIII,
it will be a nuclear war and most of us will be dead.
Tell me something, when was the first nuclear weapon deployed and how
many nuclear wars have we had so far?????? Do you understand the
indications and limitations for nuclear warfare???
Chasseur
Apparently you don't.
It was the threat of mutual assured destruction (MAD) that prevented
WWIII during the Cold War. Do you know how close we came to creating a
nuclear winter?
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_III#Historical_close_calls
The introduction of MAD here has no pertinence in the present
discussion. In fact there have been dozens of low grade wars since 1945
and none of these armed conflicts have involved the use of nuclear
weapons.
Google yourself. The US had threatened to use atomic/nuclear weapons
during Korean and Vietnam "conflict" and during the Cuban Missile
Crisis . It is only 'MAD" that prevented the actual use of those
weapons. That is why North Korean and Iran are bent on having nuclear
weapons of their own.
Post by chasseur
That being said, history is full of examples of people being
abused by their own governments and not being able to defend themselves
for lack of the proper tools (arms). The same goes for the day to day
abuse of the citizenry by common criminals. If you wish to surrender
your guns, assuming you have any, by all means do so and keep your
preaching to yourself. Ultimately, freedom and the simple preservation
of life rest on a precarious balance between the potential for abuse by
governments and criminals and the potential for defense and retaliation
by the abused. There is here in Canada an abundance of your kind (naive
and of limited personal fortitude) who think that if guns are
eliminated, the government and the police will protect you, mass murder
will come to an end etc. etc. You have a lot to learn but I for one will
not agree that you can do it at my expense.
Chasseur
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
Strabo
2013-01-11 22:41:38 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
"American streets" covers a lot of area but by consulting maps and crime
statistics
one can quickly discover the source of your concern.

The typical American is White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb
where
roads and streets are quiet and free of criminals. In fact, it can be
downright boring
though no one is complaining! We like it and plan to keep it that way.

If you want to find "American streets...awash with guns in the hands of
criminals
and mass shooting gun-nuts" then you need to visit the inner cities over
one million
in population. There you will find most of the nation's liberals,
progressives,
racists, poverty pimps, politicians, anti-gun laws and loads of crime.
How they
do compliment one another.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 23:08:29 UTC
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Post by Strabo
<snipped>
 >
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
"American streets" covers a lot of area but by consulting maps and crime
statistics
one can quickly discover the source of your concern.
The typical American is White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb
where
roads and streets are quiet and free of criminals.  In fact, it can be
downright boring
though no one is complaining!  We like it and plan to keep it that way.
If you want to find "American streets...awash with guns in the hands of
criminals
and mass shooting gun-nuts" then you need to visit the inner cities over
one million
in population.  There you will find most of the nation's liberals,
progressives,
racists, poverty pimps, politicians, anti-gun laws and loads of crime.
How they
do compliment one another.
Really? The village of Sandy Hook in the town of Newtown, Connecticut
seems to be the Utopia you have described above. How did it end up
having 20 pupils and 6 adult staff members killed by a gun-nut?
Strabo
2013-01-12 09:50:36 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Strabo
<snipped>
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
"American streets" covers a lot of area but by consulting maps and crime
statistics
one can quickly discover the source of your concern.
The typical American is White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb
where
roads and streets are quiet and free of criminals. In fact, it can be
downright boring
though no one is complaining! We like it and plan to keep it that way.
If you want to find "American streets...awash with guns in the hands of
criminals
and mass shooting gun-nuts" then you need to visit the inner cities over
one million
in population. There you will find most of the nation's liberals,
progressives,
racists, poverty pimps, politicians, anti-gun laws and loads of crime.
How they
do compliment one another.
Really? The village of Sandy Hook in the town of Newtown, Connecticut
seems to be the Utopia you have described above. How did it end up
having 20 pupils and 6 adult staff members killed by a gun-nut?
You don't know? It was in all the papers.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-12 13:39:11 UTC
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Post by Strabo
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Strabo
<snipped>
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
"American streets" covers a lot of area but by consulting maps and crime
statistics
one can quickly discover the source of your concern.
The typical American is White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb
where
roads and streets are quiet and free of criminals.  In fact, it can be
downright boring
though no one is complaining!  We like it and plan to keep it that way.
If you want to find "American streets...awash with guns in the hands of
criminals
and mass shooting gun-nuts" then you need to visit the inner cities over
one million
in population.  There you will find most of the nation's liberals,
progressives,
racists, poverty pimps, politicians, anti-gun laws and loads of crime.
How they
do compliment one another.
Really? The village of Sandy Hook in the town of Newtown, Connecticut
seems to be the Utopia you have described above. How did it end up
having 20 pupils and 6 adult staff members killed by a gun-nut?
You don't know? It was in all the papers.
Then please enlighten me.

Doesn't Newtown fit into your description of "The typical American is
White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb where roads and
streets are quiet and free of criminals."?
Debbie
2013-01-12 13:42:06 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Strabo
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Strabo
<snipped>
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
"American streets" covers a lot of area but by consulting maps and crime
statistics
one can quickly discover the source of your concern.
The typical American is White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb
where
roads and streets are quiet and free of criminals. In fact, it can be
downright boring
though no one is complaining! We like it and plan to keep it that way.
If you want to find "American streets...awash with guns in the hands of
criminals
and mass shooting gun-nuts" then you need to visit the inner cities over
one million
in population. There you will find most of the nation's liberals,
progressives,
racists, poverty pimps, politicians, anti-gun laws and loads of crime.
How they
do compliment one another.
Really? The village of Sandy Hook in the town of Newtown, Connecticut
seems to be the Utopia you have described above. How did it end up
having 20 pupils and 6 adult staff members killed by a gun-nut?
You don't know? It was in all the papers.
Then please enlighten me.
Doesn't Newtown fit into your description of "The typical American is
White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb where roads and
streets are quiet and free of criminals."?
My sister lived in Newtown until last year. It may be rural by New York
City standards, but not by mine. One town ends and the next begins. Tons
of traffic. True, it is pretty white.
The killer in Newtown was not a gun nut, but a mentally disturbed
individual.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-12 14:48:22 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Strabo
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Strabo
<snipped>
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
"American streets" covers a lot of area but by consulting maps and crime
statistics
one can quickly discover the source of your concern.
The typical American is White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb
where
roads and streets are quiet and free of criminals.  In fact, it can be
downright boring
though no one is complaining!  We like it and plan to keep it that way.
If you want to find "American streets...awash with guns in the hands of
criminals
and mass shooting gun-nuts" then you need to visit the inner cities over
one million
in population.  There you will find most of the nation's liberals,
progressives,
racists, poverty pimps, politicians, anti-gun laws and loads of crime.
How they
do compliment one another.
Really? The village of Sandy Hook in the town of Newtown, Connecticut
seems to be the Utopia you have described above. How did it end up
having 20 pupils and 6 adult staff members killed by a gun-nut?
You don't know? It was in all the papers.
Then please enlighten me.
Doesn't Newtown fit into your description of "The typical American is
White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb where roads and
streets are quiet and free of criminals."?
My sister lived in Newtown until last year. It may be rural by New York
City standards, but not by mine. One town ends and the next begins. Tons
of traffic. True, it is pretty white.
The killer in Newtown was not a gun nut, but a mentally disturbed
individual.
OK, if you want to be technical. He was the son of a gun-nut. He stole
the guns from his gun-nut mother. Hand guns and automatic assault
rifles should not be readily available to civilians the way it is now
in the US. This is what can happen, time and time again. When will you
people ever learn?
Debbie
2013-01-12 15:06:00 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Strabo
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Strabo
<snipped>
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
"American streets" covers a lot of area but by consulting maps and crime
statistics
one can quickly discover the source of your concern.
The typical American is White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb
where
roads and streets are quiet and free of criminals. In fact, it can be
downright boring
though no one is complaining! We like it and plan to keep it that way.
If you want to find "American streets...awash with guns in the hands of
criminals
and mass shooting gun-nuts" then you need to visit the inner cities over
one million
in population. There you will find most of the nation's liberals,
progressives,
racists, poverty pimps, politicians, anti-gun laws and loads of crime.
How they
do compliment one another.
Really? The village of Sandy Hook in the town of Newtown, Connecticut
seems to be the Utopia you have described above. How did it end up
having 20 pupils and 6 adult staff members killed by a gun-nut?
You don't know? It was in all the papers.
Then please enlighten me.
Doesn't Newtown fit into your description of "The typical American is
White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb where roads and
streets are quiet and free of criminals."?
My sister lived in Newtown until last year. It may be rural by New York
City standards, but not by mine. One town ends and the next begins. Tons
of traffic. True, it is pretty white.
The killer in Newtown was not a gun nut, but a mentally disturbed
individual.
OK, if you want to be technical. He was the son of a gun-nut. He stole
the guns from his gun-nut mother. Hand guns and automatic assault
rifles should not be readily available to civilians the way it is now
in the US. This is what can happen, time and time again. When will you
people ever learn?
About the same time you learn.
Gunner
2013-01-12 16:59:30 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
OK, if you want to be technical. He was the son of a gun-nut. He stole
the guns from his gun-nut mother. Hand guns and automatic assault
rifles should not be readily available to civilians the way it is now
in the US. This is what can happen, time and time again. When will you
people ever learn?
Automatic assault rifles? Machine guns? Odd...there has only been
one crime with a machine gun..a legal one..in the US since the
1930s..and it was a murder by a cop of his wife with his issue machine
gun.

I wasnt aware that machine guns were used in that school shooting. In
fact..it appears that assault weapons wernt used either. Not with it
being found in the car.

Now.... you mean it was illegal to kill his mother, steal her weapons
and go kill kids? There were already laws against that sort of thing?

Yet a crazy guy got guns after commiting a number of crimes..got guns
illegally....and you think MORE laws are going to prevent the next
crazy guy from doing the same? What...they have some sort of limit?
They will only break 4 laws..but will stop at #5? Really?

And if you put more laws into place...you mean the next shooter would
obey those?

Blink blink...blink

Why not simply arm the People and let them kill the shooter before he
can kill very many people? Laws keeping guns out of the crazies hands
really hasnt been working now have they?

A little hint..when you find yourself in a hole..first thing you
do...is stop digging.


Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-12 17:32:19 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
OK, if you want to be technical. He was the son of a gun-nut. He stole
the guns from his gun-nut mother. Hand guns and automatic assault
rifles should not be readily available to civilians the way it is now
in the US. This is what can happen, time and time again. When will you
people ever learn?
Automatic assault rifles?  Machine guns?  Odd...there has only been
one crime with a machine gun..a legal one..in the US since the
1930s..and it was a murder by a cop of his wife with his issue machine
gun.
I wasnt aware that machine guns were used in that school shooting. In
fact..it appears that assault weapons wernt used either. Not with it
being found in the car.
Now.... you mean it was illegal to kill his mother, steal her weapons
and go kill kids?  There were already laws against that sort of thing?
Yet a crazy guy got guns after commiting a number of crimes..got guns
illegally....and you think MORE laws are going to prevent the next
crazy guy from doing the same?  What...they have some sort of limit?
They will only break 4 laws..but will stop at #5?  Really?
And if you put more laws into place...you mean the next shooter would
obey those?
Blink blink...blink
Why not simply arm the People and let them kill the shooter before he
can kill very many people?  Laws keeping guns out of the crazies hands
really hasnt been working now have they?
A little hint..when you find yourself in a hole..first thing you
do...is stop digging.
Gunner
Maybe you would think hand grenades and RPGs should be legal to own
too. Just pass some laws to make them safe so that no one will be
blowing up schools with hand grenades and RPGs.

Tough gun laws are coming. Gun-nuts are reeling. Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.
Strabo
2013-01-13 18:14:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Gunner
Post by Mighty Wannabe
OK, if you want to be technical. He was the son of a gun-nut. He stole
the guns from his gun-nut mother. Hand guns and automatic assault
rifles should not be readily available to civilians the way it is now
in the US. This is what can happen, time and time again. When will you
people ever learn?
Automatic assault rifles? Machine guns? Odd...there has only been
one crime with a machine gun..a legal one..in the US since the
1930s..and it was a murder by a cop of his wife with his issue machine
gun.
I wasnt aware that machine guns were used in that school shooting. In
fact..it appears that assault weapons wernt used either. Not with it
being found in the car.
Now.... you mean it was illegal to kill his mother, steal her weapons
and go kill kids? There were already laws against that sort of thing?
Yet a crazy guy got guns after commiting a number of crimes..got guns
illegally....and you think MORE laws are going to prevent the next
crazy guy from doing the same? What...they have some sort of limit?
They will only break 4 laws..but will stop at #5? Really?
And if you put more laws into place...you mean the next shooter would
obey those?
Blink blink...blink
Why not simply arm the People and let them kill the shooter before he
can kill very many people? Laws keeping guns out of the crazies hands
really hasnt been working now have they?
A little hint..when you find yourself in a hole..first thing you
do...is stop digging.
Gunner
Maybe you would think hand grenades and RPGs should be legal to own
too. Just pass some laws to make them safe so that no one will be
blowing up schools with hand grenades and RPGs.
Actually they are legal to own. Just get a license.

Some weapons are not practical due to size or safety - tanks,
ships, planes, bombs or incendiary devices. These are kept by
the militias in armories and arsenals where they can be made
available to citizens.


Amendment II (ratified 1791)

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a
free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,
shall not be infringed.

Definitions:

A Well Regulated Militia = a body of American males between
the ages of 14 and 55, constituted at the county or state level,
excepting governmental officials, regular military and politicians.

Right = any exercise by any individual, which does not infringe
upon the Rights of another individual.

Free State = a place where The People can exercise their Rights.

The People = American citizens = adult Americans citizens.

Arms = weapons of any type and any devices necessary for their use.

To Keep And Bear Arms = *any weapon* an individual can bear
(carry and use) will be kept by and with, that individual.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Tough gun laws are coming. Gun-nuts are reeling. Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.
You have thousands of "gun laws" protecting you.

There's nothing to resist. We are assimilated. It's our country.
Gunner
2013-01-13 19:43:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Strabo
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Gunner
Post by Mighty Wannabe
OK, if you want to be technical. He was the son of a gun-nut. He stole
the guns from his gun-nut mother. Hand guns and automatic assault
rifles should not be readily available to civilians the way it is now
in the US. This is what can happen, time and time again. When will you
people ever learn?
Automatic assault rifles? Machine guns? Odd...there has only been
one crime with a machine gun..a legal one..in the US since the
1930s..and it was a murder by a cop of his wife with his issue machine
gun.
I wasnt aware that machine guns were used in that school shooting. In
fact..it appears that assault weapons wernt used either. Not with it
being found in the car.
Now.... you mean it was illegal to kill his mother, steal her weapons
and go kill kids? There were already laws against that sort of thing?
Yet a crazy guy got guns after commiting a number of crimes..got guns
illegally....and you think MORE laws are going to prevent the next
crazy guy from doing the same? What...they have some sort of limit?
They will only break 4 laws..but will stop at #5? Really?
And if you put more laws into place...you mean the next shooter would
obey those?
Blink blink...blink
Why not simply arm the People and let them kill the shooter before he
can kill very many people? Laws keeping guns out of the crazies hands
really hasnt been working now have they?
A little hint..when you find yourself in a hole..first thing you
do...is stop digging.
Gunner
Maybe you would think hand grenades and RPGs should be legal to own
too. Just pass some laws to make them safe so that no one will be
blowing up schools with hand grenades and RPGs.
Actually they are legal to own. Just get a license.
Indeed they are.
Post by Strabo
Some weapons are not practical due to size or safety - tanks,
ships, planes, bombs or incendiary devices. These are kept by
the militias in armories and arsenals where they can be made
available to citizens.
Actually..all of those are legally owned by private citizens.
Post by Strabo
Amendment II (ratified 1791)
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a
free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,
shall not be infringed.
A Well Regulated Militia = a body of American males between
the ages of 14 and 55, constituted at the county or state level,
excepting governmental officials, regular military and politicians.
Right = any exercise by any individual, which does not infringe
upon the Rights of another individual.
Free State = a place where The People can exercise their Rights.
The People = American citizens = adult Americans citizens.
Arms = weapons of any type and any devices necessary for their use.
To Keep And Bear Arms = *any weapon* an individual can bear
(carry and use) will be kept by and with, that individual.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Tough gun laws are coming. Gun-nuts are reeling. Resistance is futile.
You will be assimilated.
You have thousands of "gun laws" protecting you.
There's nothing to resist. We are assimilated. It's our country.
Indeed.

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

rbowman
2013-01-12 17:38:37 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Doesn't Newtown fit into your description of "The typical American is
White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb where roads and
streets are quiet and free of criminals."?
I don't recall ever being in Newtown specifically, but I would guess it is
closer to something out of 'Stepford Wives'. That part of Connecticut is a
bedroom community for NYC, is very wealthy, and isn't exactly your Norman
Rockwell rural town. You are correct that the residents do not expect
reality to intrude on their perfect lives very often. Considering the mother
was receiving something in the neighborhood of $250,000 per annum alimony
one would think the son would have been getting the best professional help
in coping with his life but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Reality is harsher in other parts of Connecticut. The larger cities like
Hartford and Bridgeport can be described by the Springsteen lyric "when you
come do a red light, you don't stop."

http://www.wtnh.com/generic/news/crime/bridgeport-homicide-map-2012

I don't know if Bridgeport won the annual murder competition for 2012 or
not, but the map is convenient. Newtown was an anomaly and since it involved
children in a school setting became national news. However, the statistics
of firearm related homicides are much more inflated by shitholes like
Bridgeport. Digging into the root causes of dysfunctional cities is a lot
more painful than focusing on the deeds of young males of dubious mental
health. Pick on the real scab and you're up to your neck in race, income
inequality, cultural mores and other systemic failures that aren't going to
be fixed by banning high capacity magazines or plugging the gunshow
loophole.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-12 18:43:11 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Doesn't Newtown fit into your description of "The typical American is
White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb where roads and
streets are quiet and free of criminals."?
I don't recall ever being in Newtown specifically, but I would guess it is
closer to something out of 'Stepford Wives'. That part of Connecticut is a
bedroom community for NYC, is very wealthy, and isn't exactly your Norman
Rockwell rural town. You are correct that the residents do not expect
reality to intrude on their perfect lives very often. Considering the mother
was receiving something in the neighborhood of $250,000 per annum alimony
one would think the son would have been getting the best professional help
in coping with his life but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Reality is harsher in other parts of Connecticut. The larger cities like
Hartford and Bridgeport can be described by the Springsteen lyric "when you
come do a red light, you don't stop."
http://www.wtnh.com/generic/news/crime/bridgeport-homicide-map-2012
I don't know if Bridgeport won the annual murder competition for 2012 or
not, but the map is convenient. Newtown was an anomaly and since it involved
children in a school setting became national news. However, the statistics
of firearm related homicides are much more inflated by shitholes like
Bridgeport. Digging into the root causes of dysfunctional cities is a lot
more painful than focusing on the deeds of young males of dubious mental
health. Pick on the real scab and you're up to your neck in race, income
inequality, cultural mores and other systemic failures that aren't going to
be fixed by banning high capacity magazines or plugging the gunshow
loophole.
The reality is that gun crime and mass shootings are getting out of
control. It is simple logic that more guns will lead to more gun
crimes and more mass shootings. NRA's proposition of arming everybody
will make things worse. Tougher gun controls will not fix the gun
crime and mass shooting problems immediately but you have to start
somewhere.
Strabo
2013-01-13 19:03:44 UTC
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<snipped>
Post by Mighty Wannabe
The reality is that gun crime and mass shootings are getting out of
control. It is simple logic that more guns will lead to more gun
crimes and more mass shootings. NRA's proposition of arming everybody
will make things worse. Tougher gun controls will not fix the gun
crime and mass shooting problems immediately but you have to start
somewhere.
Hmmm, more cliches. More muddled thinking.

"The reality is that gun crime and mass shootings are getting out of
control." You imply that "gun crime and mass shootings" were once in
control which implies that you accept some degree of "gun crime and
mass shootings."

You use "gun crimes and mass shootings" three times in three successive
sentences.
This begs the questions concerning gun crime versus non-gun crime and mass
shootings versus non-mass shooting. Should we assume that non-gun
crimes are
less important; that non-mass shootings are less important?

Would one hundred shootings of one fatality each represent more control than
one shooting on one hundred fatalities?

If so then by applying your simple logic, more guns would be better.
After all,
we do have to start somewhere.
Strabo
2013-01-13 18:40:54 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Doesn't Newtown fit into your description of "The typical American is
White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb where roads and
streets are quiet and free of criminals."?
I don't recall ever being in Newtown specifically, but I would guess it is
closer to something out of 'Stepford Wives'. That part of Connecticut is a
bedroom community for NYC, is very wealthy, and isn't exactly your Norman
Rockwell rural town. You are correct that the residents do not expect
reality to intrude on their perfect lives very often. Considering the mother
was receiving something in the neighborhood of $250,000 per annum alimony
one would think the son would have been getting the best professional help
in coping with his life but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Reality is harsher in other parts of Connecticut. The larger cities like
Hartford and Bridgeport can be described by the Springsteen lyric "when you
come do a red light, you don't stop."
http://www.wtnh.com/generic/news/crime/bridgeport-homicide-map-2012
I don't know if Bridgeport won the annual murder competition for 2012 or
not, but the map is convenient. Newtown was an anomaly and since it involved
children in a school setting became national news. However, the statistics
of firearm related homicides are much more inflated by shitholes like
Bridgeport. Digging into the root causes of dysfunctional cities is a lot
more painful than focusing on the deeds of young males of dubious mental
health. Pick on the real scab and you're up to your neck in race, income
inequality, cultural mores and other systemic failures that aren't going to
be fixed by banning high capacity magazines or plugging the gunshow
loophole.
Good analogy. And it's a big, itchy, greenish, festering pus-oozing scab,
covering a huge stinking pus-oozing cyst. It's just dying to be picked,
picked
again and picked some more!

Yes, America's cities represent the very best of Socialist economics and
governance.
Gunner
2013-01-12 03:27:50 UTC
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Post by Strabo
<snipped>
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Your are not living in those countries in civil wars. American streets
are awash with guns in the hands of criminals and mass shooting gun-
nuts.
"American streets" covers a lot of area but by consulting maps and crime
statistics
one can quickly discover the source of your concern.
The typical American is White and lives rural, in a small town or suburb
where
roads and streets are quiet and free of criminals. In fact, it can be
downright boring
though no one is complaining! We like it and plan to keep it that way.
If you want to find "American streets...awash with guns in the hands of
criminals
and mass shooting gun-nuts" then you need to visit the inner cities over
one million
in population. There you will find most of the nation's liberals,
progressives,
racists, poverty pimps, politicians, anti-gun laws and loads of crime.
How they
do compliment one another.
Nicely and accurately stated.

Gunner
The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
Gunner
2013-01-11 07:15:23 UTC
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Post by chasseur
Post by Debbie
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Guns in a lawful society today will only lead to anarchy and mass
shootings.
The British are not coming. The Nazis are not coming. GOP gun-nuts are
killing us and our children.
Prevent another mass shooting. Turn in your guns now.
Don't you live in Canada?
Unfortunaly he does and in a city well known for its anti-gun
politicians and a police force well known for its lack of respect for
citizens (remember the G-20 Wannabe???). He understands nothing of
guerilla warfare, the various historical resistance movements in
occupied Europe circa 1940-1944, and he reminds me of the European
peaceniks who clamored ''better Red than Dead'' during the sixties.
Finally he understands nothing of the fact that through out history the
mark of the free has always been to keep and bear arms, whereas the
opposite is the lot of the slave. The fact that he is ready to trade
anything for what he perceives as a ticket to personal security only
puts him in the category of those who are presently forging iron collars
that his masters will eventually clamp on his neck to the end.
Chasseur
Quebec
Canada
Very well stated!! Merci!!

Gunner

The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
Jeff M
2013-01-11 20:20:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Well, for one thing, the idea isn't to fight a conventional battle with
them, but to wage a campaign of terror and assassination on the enemy.


Taking the historical case, If only 10% of Jews and other victims of the
Nazis had a gun, and only half them were able to kill or, preferably
wound, an enemy during the attempted round-up, it would have cost the
Nazis the equivalent of the total annihilation of about two of their
fully manned infantry divisions. Of course, the Nazis would have
responded initially by pulling troops off the front line for that
purpose, then would likely have been forced to curtail their round-ups.
Either way, many holocaust victims might have survived and the war
possibly shortened.

An armed populace cannot defeat an occupying enemy, but it can make that
occupation difficult, bloody and expensive.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-11 20:55:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Well, for one thing, the idea isn't to fight a conventional battle with
them, but to wage a campaign of terror and assassination on the enemy.
Taking the historical case, If only 10% of Jews and other victims of the
Nazis had a gun, and only half them were able to kill or, preferably
wound, an enemy during the attempted round-up, it would have cost the
Nazis the equivalent of the total annihilation of about two of their
fully manned infantry divisions.  Of course, the Nazis would have
responded initially by pulling troops off the front line for that
purpose, then would likely have been forced to curtail their round-ups.
  Either way, many holocaust victims might have survived and the war
possibly shortened.
An armed populace cannot defeat an occupying enemy, but it can make that
occupation difficult, bloody and expensive.
You probably didn't study history well enough. The Nazis would kill
all the residents in the block if they didn't/couldn't identify the
killer of their police/soldier.
Jeff M
2013-01-11 22:55:44 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Well, for one thing, the idea isn't to fight a conventional battle with
them, but to wage a campaign of terror and assassination on the enemy.
Taking the historical case, If only 10% of Jews and other victims of the
Nazis had a gun, and only half them were able to kill or, preferably
wound, an enemy during the attempted round-up, it would have cost the
Nazis the equivalent of the total annihilation of about two of their
fully manned infantry divisions. Of course, the Nazis would have
responded initially by pulling troops off the front line for that
purpose, then would likely have been forced to curtail their round-ups.
Either way, many holocaust victims might have survived and the war
possibly shortened.
An armed populace cannot defeat an occupying enemy, but it can make that
occupation difficult, bloody and expensive.
You probably didn't study history well enough. The Nazis would kill
all the residents in the block if they didn't/couldn't identify the
killer of their police/soldier.
You probably didn't study history well enough. What they would do in
the conquered lands to the East, who's occupants were regarded by the
Nazis as sub-human, they definitely would not do in other occupied
countries. For example, the only opposition Hitler and his gang ever
really feared was the potential opposition of the Burghers, which was
why their economy was still producing consumer goods and wasn't fully
militarized until about 1943 or so. Also, while the Nazis often used
mass murder for a variety of purposes, there wasn't anything like an
established policy or uniform procedure as you've described.


Also, the Nazis considered the Danes and other Nordic people to be
worthy Aryans, and the people in the remainder of western Europe to be
at least potentially worthy. Somehow, I can't see the Nazis killing
everyone on the block too many times in, say, Denmark or occupied
France, before it became a problem.
rbowman
2013-01-12 02:58:33 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
Also, the Nazis considered the Danes and other Nordic people to be
worthy Aryans, and the people in the remainder of western Europe to be
at least potentially worthy. Somehow, I can't see the Nazis killing
everyone on the block too many times in, say, Denmark or occupied
France, before it became a problem.
Ironically, Holger Danske members may have executed more Danes that they
considered collaborators than the Gestapo executed Danes they thought were
resistance members. It's fiction but the Danish movie 'Flame & Citron' is an
interesting take on the Danish resistance.
Jeff M
2013-01-12 03:51:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by rbowman
Post by Jeff M
Also, the Nazis considered the Danes and other Nordic people to be
worthy Aryans, and the people in the remainder of western Europe to be
at least potentially worthy. Somehow, I can't see the Nazis killing
everyone on the block too many times in, say, Denmark or occupied
France, before it became a problem.
Ironically, Holger Danske members may have executed more Danes that they
considered collaborators than the Gestapo executed Danes they thought were
resistance members. It's fiction but the Danish movie 'Flame & Citron' is an
interesting take on the Danish resistance.
Saw it, liked it; good movie, bad history.
rbowman
2013-01-12 02:42:03 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
You probably didn't study history well enough. The Nazis would kill
all the residents in the block if they didn't/couldn't identify the
killer of their police/soldier.
True, Lidice is an excellent lesson in how to handle IED attacks. otoh, if
you lived in the Warsaw ghetto, there wasn't going to be a good outcome
anyway. That held true even for the rats that sold out their fellow Jews for
an attaboy or two.

Are you suggesting the best course is to get down on your knees and kiss
your ass goodbye?
Mighty Wannabe
2013-01-12 04:24:08 UTC
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Post by rbowman
Post by Mighty Wannabe
You probably didn't study history well enough. The Nazis would kill
all the residents in the block if they didn't/couldn't identify the
killer of their police/soldier.
True, Lidice is an excellent lesson in how to handle IED attacks. otoh, if
you lived in the Warsaw ghetto, there wasn't going to be a good outcome
anyway. That held true even for the rats that sold out their fellow Jews for
an attaboy or two.
Are you suggesting the best course is to get down on your knees and kiss
your ass goodbye?
History book is a chronicle of countries being annexed and
civilizations being assimilated. And history is written by the
winners. The winners would conceal and erase unpalatable episodes in
the course of its conquest. The more recent example can be found in
the US. Besides the natives, you have assimilated large pockets of
Spanish, Dutch, German, and French population. I don't see those
people holding out as "Freedom Fighters". Sometimes if you can't beat
them, join them. After a few generations they all identify themselves
as "Americans".

I have always wondered what it would be like if Germany had won WWII
in Europe. I believe it would the same as the previous thousands of
years of conquest and assimilation. In the beginning there would be
resentment and resistance, but subsequent generations would be brought
into the fold and happily identify themselves as Germans.

Besides, I don't hear "The South will rise again" very often these
days.
rbowman
2013-01-12 05:54:04 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
I have always wondered what it would be like if Germany had won WWII
in Europe. I believe it would the same as the previous thousands of
years of conquest and assimilation. In the beginning there would be
resentment and resistance, but subsequent generations would be brought
into the fold and happily identify themselves as Germans.
The EU would have been a working enterprise instead of the shambles it is
today. The Greeks wouldn't be retiring at 50, that's for sure.

Assimilation doesn't always work that smoothly, however. Yugoslavia happily
dissimilated itself. The Austro-Hungarian Empire never could get its ethnic
groups on the same page. England has been choking on Ireland for centuries.
Even in the US hyphens get thrown around freely. When it comes to ethnicity,
I don't self identify as an 'American'. What the hell is an 'American'? An
accident of birth in a particular geographical location.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Besides, I don't hear "The South will rise again" very often these
days.
You aren't listening...
Strabo
2013-01-11 22:54:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Ray Keller
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html
Nazi Gun Control
That is a fallacy. The guns in the populace back in those days could
never have been able to resist the Nazi army.
Well, for one thing, the idea isn't to fight a conventional battle with
them, but to wage a campaign of terror and assassination on the enemy.
Taking the historical case, If only 10% of Jews and other victims of the
Nazis had a gun, and only half them were able to kill or, preferably
wound, an enemy during the attempted round-up, it would have cost the
Nazis the equivalent of the total annihilation of about two of their
fully manned infantry divisions. Of course, the Nazis would have
responded initially by pulling troops off the front line for that
purpose, then would likely have been forced to curtail their round-ups.
Either way, many holocaust victims might have survived and the war
possibly shortened.
An armed populace cannot defeat an occupying enemy, but it can make that
occupation difficult, bloody and expensive.
"An armed populace cannot defeat an occupying enemy,"

There's no way of knowing if you believe that, but it has got to rank high
in the list of History's Famous Last Words!
Post by Jeff M
" but it can make that occupation difficult, bloody and expensive."
A Pyrrhic victory is not.

More ambivalent conclusions by Jeff. What delightful irony.
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