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Republicans are to Blame for Government Shutdown
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Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 13:09:22 UTC
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Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government. These traitors will be punished at the polls in 2014.


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http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/1012/Government-shutdown-Most-Americans-blame-Republicans.-But-will-it-matter-in-2014-video
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Government shutdown: Most Americans blame Republicans. But will it
matter in 2014? (+video)

The last time the government shut down, Republicans were punished at the
polls. Political history doesn’t necessary repeat itself, but the GOP
should worry about next year’s elections.

By Brad Knickerbocker, Staff writer / October 12, 2013

For now, at least, congressional Republicans and the White House are
talking to – not at – each other, looking for a way to end the
government shutdown and avoid a debt ceiling crisis.

But they’re not there yet, and the latest polls confirm the bad news for
the GOP: Most Americans are inclined to blame Republicans for the
partisan gridlock.

By a 22-point margin (53-31 percent), the public blames the Republican
Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama, according to a
new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll. That’s a wider margin of blame for the
GOP than the party received during the last shutdown in 1995-96.

Under more typical circumstances, President Obama wouldn’t be too
thrilled with his 47-percent approval rating here. But compared to House
Speaker John Boehner (17 percent), Sen. Ted Cruz (14 percent), the
Republican Party (24 percent), and the tea party (21 percent), Obama’s
number in the NBC/WSJ poll is positively stratospheric.

... follow the link to read more ...
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-16 13:22:00 UTC
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.

See how that works?
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 18:11:44 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-16 18:34:28 UTC
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:11:44 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus.
Fact, Wannabe.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
that's EXACTLY how it works, Wannabe.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
Of course you do. Your answer is to torture those who disagree with
you.

Very telling.

[chuckle]
David J. Hughes
2013-10-16 19:11:14 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
Or pass the proposed budget to keep the government operating, and then
open negotiations for a supplemental budget for those items not included
in the proposed budget.

Same way it's been done for the last 60 years.

Unfortunately, the Democrats have decided that everyone will play by the
Democrats rules, no matter what the rule book might say, and it they
don't get their way, they'll take everyone's balls and go home.

Like a bunch of 8 year old brats who need a good paddling.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 19:23:58 UTC
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Post by David J. Hughes
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
Or pass the proposed budget to keep the government operating, and then
open negotiations for a supplemental budget for those items not included
in the proposed budget.
Same way it's been done for the last 60 years.
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Post by David J. Hughes
Unfortunately, the Democrats have decided that everyone will play by the
Democrats rules, no matter what the rule book might say, and it they
don't get their way, they'll take everyone's balls and go home.
Like a bunch of 8 year old brats who need a good paddling.
You are describing the Republicans. They cannot live with the fact that
the voters have abandoned the GOP. Now they are deliberately destroying
the world economy and refuse to pay the bills the GOP has racked up
through the Bush years.
David J. Hughes
2013-10-16 21:44:17 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by David J. Hughes
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
Or pass the proposed budget to keep the government operating, and then
open negotiations for a supplemental budget for those items not included
in the proposed budget.
Same way it's been done for the last 60 years.
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Post by David J. Hughes
Unfortunately, the Democrats have decided that everyone will play by the
Democrats rules, no matter what the rule book might say, and it they
don't get their way, they'll take everyone's balls and go home.
Like a bunch of 8 year old brats who need a good paddling.
You are describing the Republicans. They cannot live with the fact that
the voters have abandoned the GOP. Now they are deliberately destroying
the world economy and refuse to pay the bills the GOP has racked up
through the Bush years.
The GOP bent over backwards to present a budget that could pay for
running the government, pay the interest on the national debt, and make
payments to reduce the national debt, all without borrowing more money.

The Democrat controlled Senate rejected it, resulting in the Federal
Shutdown.
Jeff M
2013-10-16 22:10:55 UTC
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On 10/16/2013 4:44 PM, David J. Hughes wrote:
[snip]
Post by David J. Hughes
The GOP bent over backwards to present a budget that could pay for
running the government, pay the interest on the national debt, and
make payments to reduce the national debt, all without borrowing more
money.
No. The regressive extremist faction within the Republican party
hatched a loony plan to totally defund the ACA by blackmailing the
President and the country with threats to shut down the
entire government and damage the economy. The fact that right-wingers
have been planning this shutdown for this reason for months is far too
well-documented to rationally deny.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?_r=0

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-crisis-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html

http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/10/06/government-shutdown-was-planned-for-months-by-ed-meese-koch-bros/

et al.


However, I see that the historical revisionism and denial of fact that
the extreme Right is so well known for is already kicking into gear
within hours of the defeat of their blackmail attempt.
Post by David J. Hughes
The Democrat controlled Senate rejected it, resulting in the Federal
Shutdown.
Americans don't like blackmailers, and don't like paying ransom, as the
Republicans will most likely learn in November of 2014 and thereafter.
--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 22:30:54 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
[snip]
Post by David J. Hughes
The GOP bent over backwards to present a budget that could pay for
running the government, pay the interest on the national debt, and
make payments to reduce the national debt, all without borrowing more
money.
No. The regressive extremist faction within the Republican party
hatched a loony plan to totally defund the ACA by blackmailing the
President and the country with threats to shut down the
entire government and damage the economy. The fact that right-wingers
have been planning this shutdown for this reason for months is far too
well-documented to rationally deny.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?_r=0
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Post by Jeff M
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-crisis-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html
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Post by Jeff M
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http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/10/06/government-shutdown-was-planned-for-months-by-ed-meese-koch-bros/
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Post by Jeff M
et al.
However, I see that the historical revisionism and denial of fact that
the extreme Right is so well known for is already kicking into gear
within hours of the defeat of their blackmail attempt.
Post by David J. Hughes
The Democrat controlled Senate rejected it, resulting in the Federal
Shutdown.
Americans don't like blackmailers, and don't like paying ransom, as the
Republicans will most likely learn in November of 2014 and thereafter.
You have nail the Devil right between the eyes, Jeffy.
Jeff M
2013-10-16 22:44:49 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Jeff M
[snip]
Post by David J. Hughes
The GOP bent over backwards to present a budget that could pay
for running the government, pay the interest on the national
debt, and make payments to reduce the national debt, all without
borrowing more money.
No. The regressive extremist faction within the Republican party
hatched a loony plan to totally defund the ACA by blackmailing the
President and the country with threats to shut down the entire
government and damage the economy. The fact that right-wingers
have been planning this shutdown for this reason for months is far
too well-documented to rationally deny.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?_r=0
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-crisis-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html
http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/10/06/government-shutdown-was-planned-for-months-by-ed-meese-koch-bros/
et al.
However, I see that the historical revisionism and denial of fact
that the extreme Right is so well known for is already kicking into
gear within hours of the defeat of their blackmail attempt.
Post by David J. Hughes
The Democrat controlled Senate rejected it, resulting in the
Federal Shutdown.
Americans don't like blackmailers, and don't like paying ransom, as
the Republicans will most likely learn in November of 2014 and
thereafter.
You have nail the Devil right between the eyes, Jeffy.
I have long hoped and said that the sane, responsible adults need to
reassert control over the Republican Party and wrest it away from their
fanatical extremist minority fringe element, because this country needs
a rational and functioning Republican Party. It appears that time may
have come, or at least I hope it has.
--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-17 02:23:29 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Jeff M
[snip]
Post by David J. Hughes
The GOP bent over backwards to present a budget that could pay
for running the government, pay the interest on the national
debt, and make payments to reduce the national debt, all without
borrowing more money.
No. The regressive extremist faction within the Republican party
hatched a loony plan to totally defund the ACA by blackmailing the
President and the country with threats to shut down the entire
government and damage the economy. The fact that right-wingers
have been planning this shutdown for this reason for months is far
too well-documented to rationally deny.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?_r=0
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-crisis-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html
http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/10/06/government-shutdown-was-planned-for-months-by-ed-meese-koch-bros/
et al.
However, I see that the historical revisionism and denial of fact
that the extreme Right is so well known for is already kicking into
gear within hours of the defeat of their blackmail attempt.
Post by David J. Hughes
The Democrat controlled Senate rejected it, resulting in the
Federal Shutdown.
Americans don't like blackmailers, and don't like paying ransom, as
the Republicans will most likely learn in November of 2014 and
thereafter.
You have nail the Devil right between the eyes, Jeffy.
SO that's why they pitched out all those Democrats in 2010 for
blackmailing us and holding the Nation hostage and extorting money from
us with ObamaCare?

Makes sense to me too.


Maybe we can get rid of more Democrat blackmailers like Obama, real soon.

*Rumination*
#8 - It's NOT what you earn it's what you keep.
Jeff M
2013-10-17 04:37:58 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Jeff M
[snip]
Post by David J. Hughes
The GOP bent over backwards to present a budget that could pay
for running the government, pay the interest on the national
debt, and make payments to reduce the national debt, all without
borrowing more money.
No. The regressive extremist faction within the Republican party
hatched a loony plan to totally defund the ACA by blackmailing the
President and the country with threats to shut down the entire
government and damage the economy. The fact that right-wingers
have been planning this shutdown for this reason for months is far
too well-documented to rationally deny.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/us/a-federal-budget-crisis-months-in-the-planning.html?_r=0
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/10/05/federal-budget-crisis-months-planning/bhA7OHhAIBvNNincmzdtjJ/story.html
http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/10/06/government-shutdown-was-planned-for-months-by-ed-meese-koch-bros/
et al.
However, I see that the historical revisionism and denial of fact
that the extreme Right is so well known for is already kicking into
gear within hours of the defeat of their blackmail attempt.
Post by David J. Hughes
The Democrat controlled Senate rejected it, resulting in the
Federal Shutdown.
Americans don't like blackmailers, and don't like paying ransom, as
the Republicans will most likely learn in November of 2014 and
thereafter.
You have nail the Devil right between the eyes, Jeffy.
SO that's why they pitched out all those Democrats in 2010 for
blackmailing us and holding the Nation hostage and extorting money from
us with ObamaCare?
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVF75A2X4WjfHaDj1vepS93iwsmGI1Yni7EnvlaRaV_OD2w5ndkg
--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-17 00:19:54 UTC
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 01:41:11 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money into its military-industrial complex to
fight a full-scale war with a bogeyman enemy for the last 70 years. The
wanton military misadvantures and warmongering budgets are finally
breaking the camel's back. Maybe you are saying it's time to cut the
budget to the military-industrial complex and start rebuilding the
infrastructure back home. You are a good man. May God bless and keep you
always, Klaus.
Johnny Johnson
2013-10-17 08:58:15 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
The USA has been pouring money into its military-industrial
complex to fight a full-scale war with a bogeyman enemy for
the last 70 years. The wanton military misadvantures and
warmongering budgets are finally breaking the camel's back.
Maybe you are saying it's time to cut the budget to the
military-industrial complex and start rebuilding the
infrastructure back home.
Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?
Revised April 12, 2013
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
...
Defense and international security assistance: In 2012, 19 percent of the
budget, or $689 billion, paid for defense and security-related international
activities. The bulk of the spending in this category reflects the underlying
costs of the Department of Defense. The total also includes the cost of
supporting operations in Afghanistan and other related activities, described
as Overseas Contingency Operations in the budget, funding for which totaled
$127 billion in 2012.

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http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=1258

CBO - United States budget and debt topics
http://tinyurl.com/Revenues-and-Outlays
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 11:16:51 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
The USA has been pouring money into its military-industrial
complex to fight a full-scale war with a bogeyman enemy for
the last 70 years. The wanton military misadvantures and
warmongering budgets are finally breaking the camel's back.
Maybe you are saying it's time to cut the budget to the
military-industrial complex and start rebuilding the
infrastructure back home.
Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?
Revised April 12, 2013
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
...
Defense and international security assistance: In 2012, 19 percent of the
budget, or $689 billion, paid for defense and security-related international
activities. The bulk of the spending in this category reflects the underlying
costs of the Department of Defense. The total also includes the cost of
supporting operations in Afghanistan and other related activities, described
as Overseas Contingency Operations in the budget, funding for which totaled
$127 billion in 2012.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=1258
CBO - United States budget and debt topics
http://tinyurl.com/Revenues-and-Outlays
Today when you factor in the interest on the national debt from past
wars and total defense expenditures the United States spends almost 40%
of its federal budget on the military. It accounts for over 46% of total
world arms spending.

This is the real reason the US is on the brink of financial ruin. It's
demise is the result of 70 years of warmongering, not because of the
poor, the Blacks, the Hispanics, or the immigrants.

*
http://www.amazon.com/The-War-State-Military-Industrial-1945-1963-ebook/dp/B00EWLGXHW
*

THE WAR STATE: The Cold War Origins Of The Military-Industrial Complex
And The Power Elite, 1945-1963
Michael Swanson (Author)
Scout
2013-10-17 16:07:02 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
The USA has been pouring money into its military-industrial
complex to fight a full-scale war with a bogeyman enemy for
the last 70 years. The wanton military misadvantures and
warmongering budgets are finally breaking the camel's back.
Maybe you are saying it's time to cut the budget to the
military-industrial complex and start rebuilding the
infrastructure back home.
Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?
Revised April 12, 2013
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
...
Defense and international security assistance: In 2012, 19 percent of the
budget,
Meanwhile 23% is paid for Medicare and Medicaid alone.

then let's add in WIC, SNAP, public housing, etc

I agree we need to cut military spending, but are you going to get Obama to
give up his military adventurism?

What is missing in your analysis is all the other areas where cuts need to
be made particularly in social programs.

Seems that whether you complain about excessive spending all depends on what
it's spent on.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 19:15:41 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
The USA has been pouring money into its military-industrial
complex to fight a full-scale war with a bogeyman enemy for
the last 70 years. The wanton military misadvantures and
warmongering budgets are finally breaking the camel's back.
Maybe you are saying it's time to cut the budget to the
military-industrial complex and start rebuilding the
infrastructure back home.
Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?
Revised April 12, 2013
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
...
Defense and international security assistance: In 2012, 19 percent of the
budget,
Meanwhile 23% is paid for Medicare and Medicaid alone.
then let's add in WIC, SNAP, public housing, etc
I agree we need to cut military spending, but are you going to get Obama
to give up his military adventurism?
What is missing in your analysis is all the other areas where cuts need
to be made particularly in social programs.
Seems that whether you complain about excessive spending all depends on
what it's spent on.
You have a very inefficient healthcare system. Your healthcare spending
per capita is the highest in the world (twice as high as Canada) but yet
lot of people are un-insured or under-insured. Your health insurance
companies are gouging, and your healthcare providers are also gouging.
That is why you spend so much and get so little. Look it up on the web
if you don't believe me. Google something like "compare US health
spending per capita" or just read this:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_health_care_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States
*

The military industrial complex is built up through 70 years of
warmongering. You cannot shut them down overnight because they will just
flock over to China or Russia.

You have such a hugh volume of military hardware and personnel scattered
all over the world, it will take decades to slowly wind them down.
Besides, Obama still has to control and put out the raging Islamic wild
fire that Bush I and Bush II had started.

The "Defense and international security assistance of 19 percent" is
accounting magic. Don't forget the related logistics support.

As I have posted in another thread, here is a reminder:

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Today when you factor in the interest on the national debt from past
wars and total defense expenditures the United States spends almost 40%
of its federal budget on the military. It accounts for over 46% of total
world arms spending.

This is the real reason the US is on the brink of financial ruin. It's
demise is the result of 70 years of warmongering, not because of the
poor, the Blacks, the Hispanics, or the immigrants.

THE WAR STATE: The Cold War Origins Of The Military-Industrial Complex
And The Power Elite, 1945-1963 [Kindle Edition]
Michael Swanson (Author)

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http://www.amazon.com/The-War-State-Military-Industrial-1945-1963-ebook/dp/B00EWLGXHW
*
Scout
2013-10-17 22:24:53 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Scout
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
The USA has been pouring money into its military-industrial
complex to fight a full-scale war with a bogeyman enemy for
the last 70 years. The wanton military misadvantures and
warmongering budgets are finally breaking the camel's back.
Maybe you are saying it's time to cut the budget to the
military-industrial complex and start rebuilding the
infrastructure back home.
Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go?
Revised April 12, 2013
Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
...
Defense and international security assistance: In 2012, 19 percent of the
budget,
Meanwhile 23% is paid for Medicare and Medicaid alone.
then let's add in WIC, SNAP, public housing, etc
I agree we need to cut military spending, but are you going to get Obama
to give up his military adventurism?
What is missing in your analysis is all the other areas where cuts need
to be made particularly in social programs.
Seems that whether you complain about excessive spending all depends on
what it's spent on.
You have a very inefficient healthcare system.
Then why do you ignore how much the government is spending on it and blaming
things which amount to a smaller percentage of government spending?

When you can address your complains consistently and objectively, then you
might have a real argument. Until then, you're just whining.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-17 12:31:41 UTC
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 12:41:34 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-17 14:05:01 UTC
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:41:34 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
Stormin Mormon
2013-10-17 14:25:03 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:41:34 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-17 14:54:20 UTC
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:25:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:41:34 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?
"Wanting" is one thing.

"Doing" is another.

But go ahead and tell me the part where you imagined I said I wanted
to completely defund the military.

Put that part right here --->
Stormin Mormon
2013-10-17 15:25:01 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:25:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:41:34 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?
"Wanting" is one thing.
"Doing" is another.
But go ahead and tell me the part where you imagined I said I wanted
to completely defund the military.
Put that part right here --->
Go ahead, and tell me where I wrote any such thing.


.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-17 15:29:56 UTC
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:25:01 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:25:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:41:34 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?
"Wanting" is one thing.
"Doing" is another.
But go ahead and tell me the part where you imagined I said I wanted
to completely defund the military.
Put that part right here --->
Go ahead, and tell me where I wrote any such thing.
here you go....

:And what to do with all the various people who want to
: invade, and kill us?

Now, tell me how cutting the military budget is going to stop us from
preventing people from wanting to kill us.

Take all the room you need.
Stormin Mormon
2013-10-17 20:12:05 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:25:01 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:25:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?
"Wanting" is one thing.
"Doing" is another.
But go ahead and tell me the part where you imagined I said I wanted
to completely defund the military.
Put that part right here --->
Go ahead, and tell me where I wrote any such thing.
here you go....
:And what to do with all the various people who want to
: invade, and kill us?
Now, tell me how cutting the military budget is going to stop us from
preventing people from wanting to kill us.
Take all the room you need.
KS wrote: But go ahead and tell me the part where you
imagined I said I wanted to completely defund the
military.

CY wrote: Go ahead, and tell me where I wrote any such thing.

KS wrote: > :And what to do with all the various people who want to
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
: invade, and kill us?
I'm still waiting for you to tell me when I ever
wrote that KS wanted to completely defund the military.

You're a time waster.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-17 23:42:02 UTC
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:12:05 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 11:25:01 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:25:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?
"Wanting" is one thing.
"Doing" is another.
But go ahead and tell me the part where you imagined I said I wanted
to completely defund the military.
Put that part right here --->
Go ahead, and tell me where I wrote any such thing.
here you go....
:And what to do with all the various people who want to
: invade, and kill us?
Now, tell me how cutting the military budget is going to stop us from
preventing people from wanting to kill us.
Take all the room you need.
KS wrote: But go ahead and tell me the part where you
imagined I said I wanted to completely defund the
military.
CY wrote: Go ahead, and tell me where I wrote any such thing.
KS wrote: > :And what to do with all the various people who want to
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
: invade, and kill us?
I'm still waiting for you to tell me when I ever
wrote that KS wanted to completely defund the military.
You're a time waster.
LOL

I know how embarrassing it must be for you to have your nose rubbed in
the stupid things you say.

Next time- THINK before you post.
Jeff M
2013-10-17 16:41:52 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:41:34 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?
Who might they be?

We have enemies aplenty, some entirely self-made. But I don't think any
foreign nation wants to militarily "invade" us.

A better place to start would be eliminating corporate welfare. Then we
can see how much we can save by requiring Europe and Japan to look more
to their own defense, and so on.
--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 18:05:02 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:41:34 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?
Who might they be?
We have enemies aplenty, some entirely self-made. But I don't think any
foreign nation wants to militarily "invade" us.
A better place to start would be eliminating corporate welfare. Then we
can see how much we can save by requiring Europe and Japan to look more
to their own defense, and so on.
All these year the US has been creating enemies and picking fights to
feed money to the contractors in the military industrial complex.

The US foreign policy can be summarized as:

STIR SHIT. TAKES SIDES.
FOMENT DISSENT AND CIVIL STRIFE EVERYWHERE UNDER THE SUN.
Jeff M
2013-10-17 22:51:35 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:41:34 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
A GREAT place to begin.
And what to do with all the various people who want to
invade, and kill us?
Who might they be?
We have enemies aplenty, some entirely self-made. But I don't think any
foreign nation wants to militarily "invade" us.
A better place to start would be eliminating corporate welfare. Then we
can see how much we can save by requiring Europe and Japan to look more
to their own defense, and so on.
All these year the US has been creating enemies and picking fights to
feed money to the contractors in the military industrial complex.
STIR SHIT. TAKES SIDES.
FOMENT DISSENT AND CIVIL STRIFE EVERYWHERE UNDER THE SUN.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/10/12/at-least-22-defense-industry-stakeholders-used-as-pundits-by-us-media-to-sell-syria-war/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-05/pro-war-senator-votes-bought-83-more-defense-lobby-money
--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
Johnny Johnson
2013-10-17 15:48:16 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with the massive
unemployment that would result from that?
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 17:53:44 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with the massive
unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related. Cut the military budget and use the money to feed the poor,
create jobs, rebuild infrastructure and pay down the national debt.

People are blaming Apple for manufacturing iPhones and iPads in China,
but little do they know that the US doesn't have the infrastructure to
produce a decent smart phone or digital camera to compete with the
products made in China. All these years the only thing the US is good at
producing is war machines churned out by the military industrial complex.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-17 18:00:12 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with the massive
unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Where did you get that from?

While over half is some entitlement or welfare type of spending, and
under half is all the rest of government, not all of that non
entitlement welfare type spending is military.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Cut the military budget and use the money to feed the poor,
create jobs, rebuild infrastructure and pay down the national debt.
People are blaming Apple for manufacturing iPhones and iPads in China,
but little do they know that the US doesn't have the infrastructure to
produce a decent smart phone or digital camera to compete with the
products made in China. All these years the only thing the US is good at
producing is war machines churned out by the military industrial complex.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 19:20:24 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with the massive
unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Where did you get that from?
While over half is some entitlement or welfare type of spending, and
under half is all the rest of government, not all of that non
entitlement welfare type spending is military.
Read this and weep:

Today when you factor in the interest on the national debt from past
wars and total defense expenditures the United States spends almost 40%
of its federal budget on the military. It accounts for over 46% of total
world arms spending.

This is the real reason the US is on the brink of financial ruin. It's
demise is the result of 70 years of warmongering, not because of the
poor, the Blacks, the Hispanics, or the immigrants.

*
http://www.amazon.com/The-War-State-Military-Industrial-1945-1963-ebook/dp/B00EWLGXHW
*
RD Sandman
2013-10-17 20:08:10 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with the massive
unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or
military related.
Where did you get that from?
While over half is some entitlement or welfare type of spending, and
under half is all the rest of government, not all of that non
entitlement welfare type spending is military.
Today when you factor in the interest on the national debt from past
wars and total defense expenditures the United States spends almost
40% of its federal budget on the military.
No, it doesn't. Interest on the debt, ALL the debt, is about 6%.
Spending on the military itself is about 26%.

It accounts for over 46% of
Post by Mighty Wannabe
total world arms spending.
This is a completely different measurement with completely different
parameters. Don't confuse the two.
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Ten bullets in the possession of a mother trying to protect
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Scout
2013-10-17 18:27:47 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with the massive
unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
Johnny Johnson
2013-10-17 18:51:01 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal
with the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Argumentum non sequitur.

You failed to answer the question, WM.
Post by Scout
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg

Liberals tend to be mathematically illiterate, Scout.

That's why they believe that Bush created all the debt that Obama's increased
by his own hand since 20 Jan 2009.
Steve from Colorado
2013-10-17 19:04:59 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal
with the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Argumentum non sequitur.
You failed to answer the question, WM.
Post by Scout
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
Liberals tend to be mathematically illiterate, Scout.
That's why they believe that Bush created all the debt that Obama's increased
by his own hand since 20 Jan 2009.
They just say that to keep people like you occupied on your computer
keyboard chasing your tail trying to "debate" trolls like MW.
Johnny Johnson
2013-10-17 19:21:51 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Mighty says...
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, the Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal
with the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military
or military related.
Argumentum non sequitur.
You failed to answer the question, WM.
Post by Scout
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
Liberals tend to be mathematically illiterate, Scout.
That's why they believe that Bush created all the debt that Obama's
increased by his own hand since 20 Jan 2009.
They just say that to keep people like you occupied on your computer
keyboard chasing your tail trying to "debate" trolls like MW.
Then again, some of us derive great pleasure from kicking trolls back under
the bridges where they hide.

It's cheap fun! :)
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 19:40:51 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal
with the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Argumentum non sequitur.
You failed to answer the question, WM.
Post by Scout
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
Liberals tend to be mathematically illiterate, Scout.
That's why they believe that Bush created all the debt that Obama's increased
by his own hand since 20 Jan 2009.
They just say that to keep people like you occupied on your computer
keyboard chasing your tail trying to "debate" trolls like MW.
May I remind you that the problem ailing the US is not the poor, the
unemployed, the Blacks, the Hispanics, or the immigrants. The root of
the problem is the multinational corporations and internal bankers
robbing the people blind. All they have to do is bribe the politicians
to give them tax cuts, tax exemptions, and tax loopholes, so they can
syphon all the profit out of the country without paying any taxes. They
also fund the propaganda machines to tell you to blame to the poor while
they embezzle all the riches of the land.
Scout
2013-10-17 22:26:14 UTC
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Post by Steve from Colorado
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal
with the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Argumentum non sequitur.
You failed to answer the question, WM.
Post by Scout
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
Liberals tend to be mathematically illiterate, Scout.
That's why they believe that Bush created all the debt that Obama's increased
by his own hand since 20 Jan 2009.
They just say that to keep people like you occupied on your computer
keyboard chasing your tail trying to "debate" trolls like MW.
May I remind you that the problem ailing the US is not the poor, the
unemployed, the Blacks, the Hispanics, or the immigrants. The root of the
problem is the multinational corporations and internal bankers robbing the
people blind. All they have to do is bribe the politicians to give them
tax cuts, tax exemptions, and tax loopholes, so they can syphon all the
profit out of the country without paying any taxes. They also fund the
propaganda machines to tell you to blame to the poor while they embezzle
all the riches of the land.
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Gunner Asch
2013-10-18 01:10:12 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
May I remind you that the problem ailing the US is not the poor, the
unemployed, the Blacks, the Hispanics, or the immigrants. The root of the
problem is the multinational corporations and internal bankers robbing the
people blind. All they have to do is bribe the politicians to give them
tax cuts, tax exemptions, and tax loopholes, so they can syphon all the
profit out of the country without paying any taxes. They also fund the
propaganda machines to tell you to blame to the poor while they embezzle
all the riches of the land.
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Found this on one of the websites...found it rather interesting


" A Call for Secession & If Necessary Civil War



With the capitulation and betrayal of the American People by Congress
Wednesday, for every Patriot, this is the last straw, or should be. I
have heard enough of the drivel from cowardly men and women that we
should work within the broken system, work by the rules of a rigged
game, to extradite ourselves from the Tyranny that has us in its
grips.

"Follow the law, elect good men to office, work within the system,
don't be a rock-thrower."

Are you BLEEPING kidding me?

HD_TheUnionisDissolvedWe are slowly being subjugated, bit by bit,
little by little. Our leaders in Congress have failed us, nay betrayed
us, for their own personal gain. They exempt themselves from laws that
they force upon the rest of us, and today that betrayal has reared its
ugly hydra-head once again in a monstrosity that lays over anything
done so far.

The RINOs in Congress have voted to betray the American public once
again.

WHEN IS IT ENOUGH PATRIOTS? WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET YOU OFF YOUR
BACKSIDES AND RISE UP AGAINST TYRANNY? WHAT DOES IT TAKE, THE MURDER
OF YOUR FAMILY ON YOUR FRONT LAWN?

A storm is coming people, and it is dark and terrible; in fact, it is
knocking at your doorstep as you read this. These shutdowns, and now
the capitulation by Congress are an exercise, warfare exercises; the
Executive Arm and the Traitors in Congress, the Tyrant and his
familiars, are flexing their muscle, testing the waters. Evil is
preparing an assault, and everything that has happened, every affront
to the People that this regime has instituted, is but a move on the
chess board.

Civil War is upon you, whether you would have it or not. The time has
come to realize that words and the election process will not avail to
turn the tide that is rushing toward you. The time for idleness has
ended. The time for action is upon us. Yes, I am openly calling for
Civil War, for the Confederacy and the Red States to secede,
peacefully if allowed, by force of arms if not. The time to act was
long ago, the window to act is almost closed. Our country is being
bankrupted, our morals and religion destroyed by all manner of
perversions and horrors, our top military generals and leaders fired,
our borders left wide open, deceptive legislation designed to subvert
our freedoms and our way of life are being passed with little to no
resistance, and our status as superpower almost gone. This is all by
design, moves on the chess board.

Through the internet, we are all able to connect with one another, but
this is a frail branch upon which to sit. Should the government shut
down the root DNS servers, that is the end of communication as we know
it. If the cell networks are shut down, and make no mistake they will
be, and fuel delivery shut off, what will you do?

You are standing upon a cliff, and the tide is coming to wash you
away. Obama is flexing his muscle, and watching, to see what he can
get away with, and we sit here and talk, but do not act.

I say to you now, that open rebellion is now your only hope of
restoring a once great Nation. Some police and sheriffs will be with
you, some will not. The military will be divided, and some will stand
with the people, and some will not.

Those in the cities need to abandon them, as when hostilities break
out and martial law is declared, those there will be the first to die.
Do you know how to hunt, to build a home from natural materials
without power tools, do you know how to shoot, fight hand to hand, set
a broken bone, or find your way through the woods and forests? Have
you stored water, seeds, medicines, fashioned weapons? If not, you
will also be the first to die.

This is not conspiratorial thinking, it is all right before your eyes.
You have eyes, but you do not see; you have ears, but you do not hear.

Jesus said to the crowd:

"When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say,
'It's going to rain,' and it does. And when the south wind blows, you
say, 'It's going to be hot,' and it is. Hypocrites! You know how to
interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you
don't know how to interpret the signs of the times?" - Luke 12:54-56

Civil war is upon us - what will you do? DECIDE, the time for talk is
over.

PREPARE FOR BATTLE PATRIOTS - OR PREPARE TO DIE."
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that "special" is a polite euphemism for;
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2013-10-17 19:31:15 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal
with the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Argumentum non sequitur.
You failed to answer the question, WM.
Post by Scout
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
Liberals tend to be mathematically illiterate, Scout.
That's why they believe that Bush created all the debt that Obama's increased
by his own hand since 20 Jan 2009.
The poor and unemployed have to be taken care of. People lost their jobs
because of the economical downturn created by GOP Bush and his ilk.

It's a good thing you know Obama officially started in 2009, but the
bottom totally fell out in 2007 and 2008. The disaster is in a scale
comparable to the Great Depression. Use your critical thinking. You
country is already an empty shell. When Obama and the Democrats are
trying hard to rebuild the country, The GOP and its Tea Party assclowns
openly vowed to be his stumbling block every step of the way.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-17 20:19:21 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, the Wannabe Mighty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal
with the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Argumentum non sequitur.
You failed to answer the question, WM.
Post by Scout
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
Liberals tend to be mathematically illiterate, Scout.
That's why they believe that Bush created all the debt that Obama's increased
by his own hand since 20 Jan 2009.
The poor and unemployed have to be taken care of.
And they are obviously going to perish without a BIG flat screen TV and
an internet connection.



Did you mean taken care of.... or did you mean kept in an equal standard
of living to those that actually pay their bills for them?
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 19:20:56 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with the massive
unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or
military related.
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
Read this and weep:

Today when you factor in the interest on the national debt from past
wars and total defense expenditures the United States spends almost 40%
of its federal budget on the military. It accounts for over 46% of total
world arms spending.

This is the real reason the US is on the brink of financial ruin. It's
demise is the result of 70 years of warmongering, not because of the
poor, the Blacks, the Hispanics, or the immigrants.

*
http://www.amazon.com/The-War-State-Military-Industrial-1945-1963-ebook/dp/B00EWLGXHW
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RD Sandman
2013-10-17 22:28:55 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with the massive
unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or
military related.
I don't think 19% counts as close to 50%.
Today when you factor in the interest on the national debt from past
wars and total defense expenditures the United States spends almost
40% of its federal budget on the military. It accounts for over 46% of
total world arms spending.
This is the real reason the US is on the brink of financial ruin. It's
demise is the result of 70 years of warmongering, not because of the
poor, the Blacks, the Hispanics, or the immigrants.
*
http://www.amazon.com/The-War-State-Military-Industrial-1945-1963-ebook
/dp/B00EWLGXHW *
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2013-10-17 19:37:07 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with
the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
Already proven false; but, if I must:

http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Cut the military budget and use the money to feed the poor,
create jobs, rebuild infrastructure and pay down the national debt.
People are blaming Apple for manufacturing iPhones and iPads in China,
but little do they know that the US doesn't have the infrastructure to
produce a decent smart phone or digital camera to compete with the
products made in China.
Motorola would argue with you on that false assertion, WM; seeing as how they
just opened a "SmartPhone" manufacturing facility right here in north Fort
Worth:

Moto X: Motorola?s Texas facility now assembling 100,000 units a week
By Trevor Mogg ? September 11, 2013
Loading Image...
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/moto-x-motorolas-texas-facility-now-
assembling-100000-units-a-week/
Post by Mighty Wannabe
All these years the only thing the US is good at producing is
war machines churned out by the military industrial complex.
Yet another America-hating Liberal rears its ugly head.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 19:54:11 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:41:11 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
The USA has been pouring money
Time to cut the budget. That simple.
I concur. Time to cut the military budget. That simple.
But are all you Liberal Socialist Democrats prepared to deal with
the massive unemployment that would result from that?
Close to one half of the US budget is spent on the military or military
related.
http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/WhereOurTaxDollarsGo-f1_rev4-12-13.jpg
Accounting magic. Any competent knows how to shift the figures and
massage the books.
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Cut the military budget and use the money to feed the poor,
create jobs, rebuild infrastructure and pay down the national debt.
People are blaming Apple for manufacturing iPhones and iPads in China,
but little do they know that the US doesn't have the infrastructure to
produce a decent smart phone or digital camera to compete with the
products made in China.
Motorola would argue with you on that false assertion, WM; seeing as how they
just opened a "SmartPhone" manufacturing facility right here in north Fort
Moto X: Motorola?s Texas facility now assembling 100,000 units a week
By Trevor Mogg ? September 11, 2013
http://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/moto-x-facility-970x0.jpg
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/moto-x-motorolas-texas-facility-now-
assembling-100000-units-a-week/
I wish them well. It takes a lot more than opening a smartphone company
to produce a marketable smartphone. I bet they have to import the high
resolution display screen and most of the components from Japan, Korea,
and China.

Remember the solar panel company went belly up because it could not
compete with China in making solar panels at marketable price?
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by Mighty Wannabe
All these years the only thing the US is good at producing is
war machines churned out by the military industrial complex.
Yet another America-hating Liberal rears its ugly head.
You apparently prefer hearing lies and burying your head in the sand.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-17 01:58:22 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 15:23:58 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills. That is simple.
Cut the budget. That simple.
Waste NOT want NOT.

A penny saved is a penny earned.

Early to bed early to rise... makes you healthy wealthy and wise.


*A LIBERAL or FOOL AND HIS MONEY* are soon parted.


If you pay peanuts you get monkeys.

The roots of Socialism are other peoples money.


*NEITHER A BORROWER NOR A LENDER BE*



The truth is always the truth....
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 19:29:21 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
SO you want to send Pelosi and Reid and Obama there for doing the same
thing when they passed ObamaCare?

ObamaCare extorts you to either buy the insurance or pay the penalty,
and that's the same as accept the funding bill or take the penalty....
Obama chose to take the penalty.

It's NO different than what Pelosi, Reid and Obama did to *WE* *THE*
*PEOPLE* now it's being done to them.... it's POETIC JUSTICE,
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 20:02:00 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
SO you want to send Pelosi and Reid and Obama there for doing the same
thing when they passed ObamaCare?
ObamaCare extorts you to either buy the insurance or pay the penalty,
and that's the same as accept the funding bill or take the penalty....
Obama chose to take the penalty.
It's NO different than what Pelosi, Reid and Obama did to *WE* *THE*
*PEOPLE* now it's being done to them.... it's POETIC JUSTICE,
The Republican Congress has to pay the bills the Republican Bush
administration had racked up.

It's about time the people get decent health care just like citizens of
other industrialized countries do. No more wasting money to feed the war
machines. Feed the people instead.

Pay the bills you have racked up, Congress.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 20:58:26 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
SO you want to send Pelosi and Reid and Obama there for doing the same
thing when they passed ObamaCare?
ObamaCare extorts you to either buy the insurance or pay the penalty,
and that's the same as accept the funding bill or take the penalty....
Obama chose to take the penalty.
It's NO different than what Pelosi, Reid and Obama did to *WE* *THE*
*PEOPLE* now it's being done to them.... it's POETIC JUSTICE,
The Republican Congress has to pay the bills the Republican Bush
administration had racked up.
IT WAS A DEMOCRAT Congress that said ObamaCare would cost a $Trillion
dollars. They Voted to pay for ObamaCare NOT this congress in fact a
bunch of that Democrat Congress were thrown out of office in the next
election.

Now that ObamaCare is costing 2.9 $Trillion dollars, there's NO reason
this Republicans Congress has to pay a dime more or even pay what
Democrats said they'd pay.

ObamaCare can be cut, in FACT Boehner the asshole should have passed a
bill and funded ObamaCare with $1.00 just so Harry Reid could refuse to
vote on it.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 21:09:02 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Now that ObamaCare is costing 2.9 $Trillion dollars, there's NO reason
this Republicans Congress has to pay a dime more or even pay what
Democrats said they'd pay.
You are a lying Republican mouthpiece. There is no such thing as costing
2.9 trillion dollars.

Pay the bills you have racked up, Congress.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 21:27:48 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Now that ObamaCare is costing 2.9 $Trillion dollars, there's NO reason
this Republicans Congress has to pay a dime more or even pay what
Democrats said they'd pay.
You are a lying Republican mouthpiece. There is no such thing as costing
2.9 trillion dollars.
Pay the bills you have racked up, Congress.
*ObamaCare is WELFARE FOR THE STUPID instead of the poor* ?

["""""In Indianapolis, for example, the sticker price for the cheapest
Bronze plan for a 27-year-old male will be $204. Right now, he can get a
policy for as little as $52.50, according to eHealthInsurance, an online
marketplace. In Fort Lauderdale, Fla., the least expensive Bronze plan
will cost $128, compared to $66 currently.

WTF, right?

But those comparisons are very misleading, as they do not take
out-of-pocket costs and coverage limits into account. Current health
plans for young people have very high deductibles ($10,000 each for the
Indianapolis and Fort Lauderdale plans) and don't cover mental health,
brand-name drugs or pre-natal care.

"Part of the problem with these plans is that people think they are
insured until something bad happens and then they find out they aren't
covered," said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow at The Urban Institute, in
an interview with CNN.

The Obamacare plans are "real insurance," not something that doesn't
work when you actually need it. Therefore, you're paying real money for
these plans, as oppossed to just throwing your money into a false sense
of security."""""""]

*Obama Care is "REAL" expensive insurance* .
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 21:37:20 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Now that ObamaCare is costing 2.9 $Trillion dollars, there's NO reason
this Republicans Congress has to pay a dime more or even pay what
Democrats said they'd pay.
You are a lying Republican mouthpiece. There is no such thing as costing
2.9 trillion dollars.
Pay the bills you have racked up, Congress.
*ObamaCare is WELFARE FOR THE STUPID instead of the poor* ?
["""""In Indianapolis, for example, the sticker price for the cheapest
Bronze plan for a 27-year-old male will be $204. Right now, he can get a
policy for as little as $52.50, according to eHealthInsurance, an online
marketplace. In Fort Lauderdale, Fla., the least expensive Bronze plan
will cost $128, compared to $66 currently.
WTF, right?
But those comparisons are very misleading, as they do not take
out-of-pocket costs and coverage limits into account. Current health
plans for young people have very high deductibles ($10,000 each for the
Indianapolis and Fort Lauderdale plans) and don't cover mental health,
brand-name drugs or pre-natal care.
"Part of the problem with these plans is that people think they are
insured until something bad happens and then they find out they aren't
covered," said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow at The Urban Institute, in
an interview with CNN.
The Obamacare plans are "real insurance," not something that doesn't
work when you actually need it. Therefore, you're paying real money for
these plans, as oppossed to just throwing your money into a false sense
of security."""""""]
*Obama Care is "REAL" expensive insurance* .
It's just some minor growing pain. It will be alright after working out
all the kinks.

OK, no more smoke and mirrors trying to throw the country under the bus.
Pay the bills you have racked up, Congress.
deep
2013-10-17 00:00:28 UTC
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:37:20 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Now that ObamaCare is costing 2.9 $Trillion dollars, there's NO reason
this Republicans Congress has to pay a dime more or even pay what
Democrats said they'd pay.
You are a lying Republican mouthpiece. There is no such thing as costing
2.9 trillion dollars.
Pay the bills you have racked up, Congress.
*ObamaCare is WELFARE FOR THE STUPID instead of the poor* ?
["""""In Indianapolis, for example, the sticker price for the cheapest
Bronze plan for a 27-year-old male will be $204. Right now, he can get a
policy for as little as $52.50, according to eHealthInsurance, an online
marketplace. In Fort Lauderdale, Fla., the least expensive Bronze plan
will cost $128, compared to $66 currently.
WTF, right?
But those comparisons are very misleading, as they do not take
out-of-pocket costs and coverage limits into account. Current health
plans for young people have very high deductibles ($10,000 each for the
Indianapolis and Fort Lauderdale plans) and don't cover mental health,
brand-name drugs or pre-natal care.
"Part of the problem with these plans is that people think they are
insured until something bad happens and then they find out they aren't
covered," said Linda Blumberg, senior fellow at The Urban Institute, in
an interview with CNN.
The Obamacare plans are "real insurance," not something that doesn't
work when you actually need it. Therefore, you're paying real money for
these plans, as oppossed to just throwing your money into a false sense
of security."""""""]
*Obama Care is "REAL" expensive insurance* .
It's just some minor growing pain. It will be alright after working out
all the kinks.
OK, no more smoke and mirrors trying to throw the country under the bus.
Pay the bills you have racked up, Congress.
Can't be done. It's one big Ponzi scheme. The system is totally
unsustainable and has been for decades.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-10-17 00:20:24 UTC
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Post by deep
Can't be done. It's one big Ponzi scheme. The system is totally
unsustainable and has been for decades.
I bet you imagine someone out there taking you seriously, huh?
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-17 03:07:57 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by deep
Can't be done. It's one big Ponzi scheme. The system is totally
unsustainable and has been for decades.
I bet you imagine someone out there taking you seriously, huh?
Worried that he'll steal the only guy, in "your" fan-club?
deep
2013-10-16 23:54:33 UTC
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:27:48 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
*Obama Care is "REAL" expensive insurance* .
As compared as to how they're doing it now?
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 22:09:23 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Now that ObamaCare is costing 2.9 $Trillion dollars, there's NO reason
this Republicans Congress has to pay a dime more or even pay what
Democrats said they'd pay.
You are a lying
*OOOOops I made a liar out of you*
[""""The CBO says that Obamacare would cost $2.0 trillion in the bill’s
real first decade (from 2014 to 2023) — and much more in the decades to
come.

But $2.0 trillion wouldn’t be the total ten-year costs. Instead, that
would merely be the “gross cost of coverage provisions.” Based on
earlier incarnations of the proposed overhaul, the total costs would be
about a third higher (the exact number can’t be gleaned from the CBO’s
analysis, which is only preliminary and is not a full scoring) — making
the total price-tag between $2.5 and $3 trillion over the bill’s real
first decade. """""]
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Republican mouthpiece. There is no such thing as costing
2.9 trillion dollars.
It's closer to $3.2 TRILLION with unfunded liabilities but I didn't want
to cause any hearts to stop beating. So I low balled it.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Pay the bills you have racked up, Congress.
Pay the bill you racked up LIBERALS.... you owe Americans $2.2 trillion
dollars because you lied. I think we should sue the DNC for it like the
tobacco companies were sued for lying about health related issues.

*SEBELIUS ADMITS DOUBLE COUNTING MEDICARE MONEY*
[""""""There is an issue here on the budget because your own actuary has
said you can’t double-count,” said Shimkus. “You can’t count — they’re
attacking Medicare on the CR when their bill, your law, cut $500 billion
from Medicare.”

He continued: “Then you’re also using the same $500 billion to what? Say
your funding health care. Your own actuary says you can’t do both. […]
What’s the $500 billion in cuts for? Preserving Medicare or funding the
health-care law?

Sebelius’ reply? “Both.”""""""]
+----------------------------------------------------------------+

*You sold us a PIG IN A POKE*
[""""Last week, the Senate Budget Committee Republican staff released a
report revealing that, over the next 75 years, Obamacare will add an
additional $17 trillion in unfunded obligations—i.e., the benefits
promised by the federal government that haven’t yet been paid for."""""""]
["""""With the enactment of Obamacare, projected federal unfunded
obligations have increased by $17 trillion, now totaling $82 trillion.
Obamacare’s massive Medicaid expansion and new exchange subsidies are
largely to blame.""""""]
Jeff M
2013-10-16 22:31:54 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Now that ObamaCare is costing 2.9 $Trillion dollars, there's NO
reason this Republicans Congress has to pay a dime more or even
pay what Democrats said they'd pay.
You are a lying
*OOOOops I made a liar out of you* [""""The CBO says that Obamacare
would cost $2.0 trillion in the bill’s real first decade (from 2014
to 2023) — and much more in the decades to come.
But $2.0 trillion wouldn’t be the total ten-year costs. Instead,
that would merely be the “gross cost of coverage provisions.”
You have that completely wrong.

It appears that you don't understand the difference between "gross" and
"net."

"Those amounts do not reflect the total budgetary impact of the ACA.
That legislation includes many other provisions that, on net, will
reduce budget deficits. Taking the coverage provisions and other
provisions together, CBO and JCT have estimated that the ACA will reduce
deficits over the next 10 years and in the subsequent decade."

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44176


Actually, the CBO estimates that the ACA will SAVE the taxpayers $109B
in the 10 year period of 2013 to 2022, so that if the Republicans were
to repeal the ACA, it would COST the taxpayers and additional $109B

"What Is The Impact Of Repealing The ACA On The Federal Budget?
Assuming that H.R. 6079 is enacted near the beginning of fiscal year
2013, CBO and JCT estimate that, on balance, the direct spending and
revenue effects of enacting that legislation would cause a net increase
in federal budget deficits of $109 billion over the 2013–2022 period.
Specifically, we estimate that H.R. 6079 would reduce direct spending by
$890 billion and reduce revenues by $1 trillion between 2013 and 2022,
thus adding $109 billion to federal budget deficits over that period."

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43471--
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BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 22:30:36 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Now that ObamaCare is costing 2.9 $Trillion dollars, there's NO reason
this Republicans Congress has to pay a dime more or even pay what
Democrats said they'd pay.
You are a lying Republican mouthpiece.
I posted the info and I'm NOT Republican I'm TEA PARTY.


I vote for anybody in any party that is pro Constitution and is for
smaller government and for avoiding deficit spending.
Scout
2013-10-17 16:08:47 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
SO you want to send Pelosi and Reid and Obama there for doing the same
thing when they passed ObamaCare?
ObamaCare extorts you to either buy the insurance or pay the penalty,
and that's the same as accept the funding bill or take the penalty....
Obama chose to take the penalty.
It's NO different than what Pelosi, Reid and Obama did to *WE* *THE*
*PEOPLE* now it's being done to them.... it's POETIC JUSTICE,
The Republican Congress has to pay the bills the Republican Bush
administration had racked up.
Even those enacted and passed by a Democrat controlled Congress?

How exactly is that fair?

Or is it that you feel that only Republicans should pay but not Democrats
for the debt generated?
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 18:38:55 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
SO you want to send Pelosi and Reid and Obama there for doing the same
thing when they passed ObamaCare?
ObamaCare extorts you to either buy the insurance or pay the penalty,
and that's the same as accept the funding bill or take the penalty....
Obama chose to take the penalty.
It's NO different than what Pelosi, Reid and Obama did to *WE* *THE*
*PEOPLE* now it's being done to them.... it's POETIC JUSTICE,
The Republican Congress has to pay the bills the Republican Bush
administration had racked up.
Even those enacted and passed by a Democrat controlled Congress?
How exactly is that fair?
Or is it that you feel that only Republicans should pay but not
Democrats for the debt generated?
Are you really so dumb that you don't see the assclowns in Congress are
blackmailing the country with a government shutdown to force Obama to
continue the tax cuts and tax loopholes inherited from Bush?

It is not a matter of which party created the debt. The Congress has the
duty to pay the bills it has already racked up.

Obama is calling their bluff. He calculates that the GOP Congress
assclowns will be punished in the 2014 elections if they keep pulling
the government-shutdown stunt.

Don't you see that Obama is making the impact of the government shutdown
as inconvenient to the public as possible? That is a deliberate move to
make sure the voters remember long enough to vote the GOP Tea Party
assclowns out of Congress.
Scout
2013-10-17 22:27:50 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
SO you want to send Pelosi and Reid and Obama there for doing the same
thing when they passed ObamaCare?
ObamaCare extorts you to either buy the insurance or pay the penalty,
and that's the same as accept the funding bill or take the penalty....
Obama chose to take the penalty.
It's NO different than what Pelosi, Reid and Obama did to *WE* *THE*
*PEOPLE* now it's being done to them.... it's POETIC JUSTICE,
The Republican Congress has to pay the bills the Republican Bush
administration had racked up.
Even those enacted and passed by a Democrat controlled Congress?
How exactly is that fair?
Or is it that you feel that only Republicans should pay but not
Democrats for the debt generated?
Are you really so dumb that you don't see the assclowns in Congress are
blackmailing the country with a government shutdown to force Obama to
continue the tax cuts and tax loopholes inherited from Bush?
No, I don't particularly given that Obama RENEWED those tax cuts and
loopholes and thus OBAMA is currently to blame for them.......but seems your
partisan blinders won't allow you to see such facts.
RD Sandman
2013-10-17 22:38:31 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so
I'd
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have
a
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
SO you want to send Pelosi and Reid and Obama there for doing the same
thing when they passed ObamaCare?
ObamaCare extorts you to either buy the insurance or pay the penalty,
and that's the same as accept the funding bill or take the
penalty....
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Obama chose to take the penalty.
It's NO different than what Pelosi, Reid and Obama did to *WE* *THE*
*PEOPLE* now it's being done to them.... it's POETIC JUSTICE,
The Republican Congress has to pay the bills the Republican Bush
administration had racked up.
Even those enacted and passed by a Democrat controlled Congress?
How exactly is that fair?
Or is it that you feel that only Republicans should pay but not
Democrats for the debt generated?
Are you really so dumb that you don't see the assclowns in Congress are
blackmailing the country with a government shutdown to force Obama to
continue the tax cuts and tax loopholes inherited from Bush?
Oh, you mean like the one which Obama extended and added a 2% payroll
taxcut of his own? Those taxcuts?
Post by Mighty Wannabe
It is not a matter of which party created the debt. The Congress has the
duty to pay the bills it has already racked up.
That's true and the debt was caused by both parties.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Obama is calling their bluff. He calculates that the GOP Congress
assclowns will be punished in the 2014 elections if they keep pulling
the government-shutdown stunt.
Probably.....assuming that Obamacare hasn't collapsed under its own
weight.
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Don't you see that Obama is making the impact of the government shutdown
as inconvenient to the public as possible?
Yep. Like a petulant little child. When do you expect Obama to mature?


That is a deliberate move to
Post by Mighty Wannabe
make sure the voters remember long enough to vote the GOP Tea Party
assclowns out of Congress.
Yep, but it could also backfire on him.
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2013-10-16 22:15:33 UTC
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:11:14 -0500, "David J. Hughes"
Post by David J. Hughes
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:09:22 -0400, Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government.
No. All Democrats have to do is give in to their demands. But they
refuse.
See how that works?
Crooked logic, Klaus. You are saying all you need to do to prevent crime
is to give in to ransom demands. That is not how that works, Klaus.
Shoot the bastard is what you should do, but I am a moderate so I'd say
send John Boehner and his gang of Tea Party thugs to GTMO to have a all
expense paid Cuban holiday.
Or pass the proposed budget to keep the government operating, and then
open negotiations for a supplemental budget for those items not included
in the proposed budget.
Same way it's been done for the last 60 years.
Unfortunately, the Democrats have decided that everyone will play by the
Democrats rules, no matter what the rule book might say, and it they
don't get their way, they'll take everyone's balls and go home.
Like a bunch of 8 year old brats who need a good paddling.
Lets put em in the closet, lock the door and through away the key.
After running em through a trash compactor so they will fit better.


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chasseur
2013-10-16 13:42:18 UTC
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Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
government. These traitors will be punished at the polls in 2014.
*
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/1012/Government-shutdown-Most-Americans-blame-Republicans.-But-will-it-matter-in-2014-video
*
Government shutdown: Most Americans blame Republicans. But will it
matter in 2014? (+video)
The last time the government shut down, Republicans were punished at the
polls. Political history doesn’t necessary repeat itself, but the GOP
should worry about next year’s elections.
By Brad Knickerbocker, Staff writer / October 12, 2013
For now, at least, congressional Republicans and the White House are
talking to – not at – each other, looking for a way to end the
government shutdown and avoid a debt ceiling crisis.
But they’re not there yet, and the latest polls confirm the bad news for
the GOP: Most Americans are inclined to blame Republicans for the
partisan gridlock.
By a 22-point margin (53-31 percent), the public blames the Republican
Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama, according to a
new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll. That’s a wider margin of blame for the
GOP than the party received during the last shutdown in 1995-96.
Under more typical circumstances, President Obama wouldn’t be too
thrilled with his 47-percent approval rating here. But compared to House
Speaker John Boehner (17 percent), Sen. Ted Cruz (14 percent), the
Republican Party (24 percent), and the tea party (21 percent), Obama’s
number in the NBC/WSJ poll is positively stratospheric.
... follow the link to read more ...
You are off topic troll. Go away.

Chasseur
betweentheeyes
2013-10-16 14:28:54 UTC
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"Mighty Wannabe" wrote in message news:l3m360$260$***@speranza.aioe.org...



Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US

<snip>

Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with
Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.

Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.

The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.

The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.

On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.

The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
Jeff M
2013-10-16 14:51:16 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
Section VII, before making false claims about the Constitution yourself:

"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."

Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.

See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).

[snip]
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moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 14:56:49 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
The *Obama waivers* to the tax didn't start in the HOUSE of REP.
Jeff M
2013-10-16 15:03:47 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
The *Obama waivers* to the tax didn't start in the HOUSE of REP.
"Waivers" of any kind, including imaginary waivers, don't need to
originate in the House. I guess you didn't understand the explanation
of Article I, Section VII of the Constitution, above, but that's hardly
surprising.
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moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 15:20:03 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
The *Obama waivers* to the tax didn't start in the HOUSE of REP.
"Waivers" of any kind, including imaginary waivers, don't need to
originate in the House.
Hold on a minute.... If the tax must start in the house then the new
tax that applies to only the un-waiverd people must start there too.
Post by Jeff M
I guess you didn't understand the explanation
of Article I, Section VII of the Constitution,
It means that a tax like ObamaCare must start in the house and when you
implement the law you can't change it, you have to implement the actual
law. And since there is NO Presidential waiver written into the law when
Obama does that he is NOT implementing that ObamaCare Law.

So the waivers are NEW law that must originate as a tax law in the house.

I think I nailed it.
Jeff M
2013-10-16 15:27:55 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Jeff M
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
The *Obama waivers* to the tax didn't start in the HOUSE of REP.
"Waivers" of any kind, including imaginary waivers, don't need to
originate in the House.
Hold on a minute.... If the tax must start in the house then the new
tax that applies to only the un-waiverd people must start there too.
Post by Jeff M
I guess you didn't understand the explanation
of Article I, Section VII of the Constitution,
It means that a tax like ObamaCare must start in the house and when you
implement the law you can't change it, you have to implement the actual
law. And since there is NO Presidential waiver written into the law when
Obama does that he is NOT implementing that ObamaCare Law.
So the waivers are NEW law that must originate as a tax law in the house.
I think I nailed it.
No.
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moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 15:44:11 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Jeff M
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with
amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
The *Obama waivers* to the tax didn't start in the HOUSE of REP.
"Waivers" of any kind, including imaginary waivers, don't need to
originate in the House.
Hold on a minute.... If the tax must start in the house then the new
tax that applies to only the un-waiverd people must start there too.
Post by Jeff M
I guess you didn't understand the explanation
of Article I, Section VII of the Constitution,
It means that a tax like ObamaCare must start in the house and when you
implement the law you can't change it, you have to implement the actual
law. And since there is NO Presidential waiver written into the law when
Obama does that he is NOT implementing that ObamaCare Law.
So the waivers are NEW law that must originate as a tax law in the house.
I think I nailed it.
No.
Good retort it shows your vast knowledge on the subject and your
supporting documentation.....

I think you nailed your side of the argument very well also.
betweentheeyes
2013-10-16 15:01:16 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal
government spends.
<snip>
Post by Mighty Wannabe
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]

"United States v. Munoz-Flores, 495 U.S. 385 (1990) was a United
States Supreme Court case that interpreted the Origination Clause of
the United States Constitution. The Court was asked to rule on
whether a statute that imposed mandatory monetary penalties on
persons convicted of federal misdemeanors was enacted in violation
of that clause, as the lower court had held."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Munoz-Flores

<LOL>

I stand by what was posted (and you snipped)

The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
Jeff M
2013-10-16 15:16:24 UTC
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Post by betweentheeyes
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President
of the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers
with Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.
<snip>
[restored for context]

I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
Section VII, before making false claims about the Constitution yourself:

"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."

Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.

See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).

[snip]
Post by betweentheeyes
"United States v. Munoz-Flores, 495 U.S. 385 (1990) was a United
States Supreme Court case that interpreted the Origination Clause of
the United States Constitution. The Court was asked to rule on
whether a statute that imposed mandatory monetary penalties on
persons convicted of federal misdemeanors was enacted in violation of
that clause, as the lower court had held."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Munoz-Flores
<LOL>
Wherein the Supreme Court stated "[b]ecause the bill at issue here was
not one for raising revenue, it could not have been passed in violation
of the Origination Clause." which precisely affirms exactly what I
explained to you about your erroneous claim.
<LOL>
Post by betweentheeyes
I stand by what was posted
Which is, of course, completely wrong.
Post by betweentheeyes
(and you snipped)
And indicated with a "[snip]" because I wasn't addressing your further
comments, but only your erroneous claim about spending bills.
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moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
betweentheeyes
2013-10-16 15:36:04 UTC
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Post by betweentheeyes
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the
President
of the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers
with Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity
poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.
<snip>
[restored for context]
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically
Article I,
Section VII, before making false claims about the Constitution
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with
amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general
revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
Post by betweentheeyes
"United States v. Munoz-Flores, 495 U.S. 385 (1990) was a United
States Supreme Court case that interpreted the Origination
Clause of
the United States Constitution. The Court was asked to rule on
whether a statute that imposed mandatory monetary penalties on
persons convicted of federal misdemeanors was enacted in
violation of
that clause, as the lower court had held."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Munoz-Flores
<LOL>
Wherein the Supreme Court stated "[b]ecause the bill at issue here was
not one for raising revenue, it could not have been passed in
violation
of the Origination Clause." which precisely affirms exactly what I
explained to you about your erroneous claim.
<LOL>
Post by betweentheeyes
I stand by what was posted
Which is, of course, completely wrong.
Post by betweentheeyes
(and you snipped)
And indicated with a "[snip]" because I wasn't addressing your
further
comments, but only your erroneous claim about spending bills.
--
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest
exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral
justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
I'm so looking forward to Harry Reid using UNITED STATES v.
MUNOZ-FLORES in his next news conference.

Added back for context:

Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with
Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.

Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.

The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.

The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.

On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.

The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
Stormin Mormon
2013-10-16 16:33:24 UTC
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Post by betweentheeyes
The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.
On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.
The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
Do you think the Dems are doing their best to
cripple the USA?

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 17:24:00 UTC
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Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by betweentheeyes
The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.
On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.
The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
Do you think the Dems are doing their best to
cripple the USA?
*YES* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But thankfully they are as incompetent at that as everything else they do.
Stormin Mormon
2013-10-16 22:54:11 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Stormin Mormon
Do you think the Dems are doing their best to
cripple the USA?
*YES* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But thankfully they are as incompetent at
that as everything else they do.

Wednesday evening, October 16, 2013
Listening to the radio today. From what I
gather, the Reps caved, and give Big O
all he wanted.


.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 23:54:06 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Stormin Mormon
Do you think the Dems are doing their best to
cripple the USA?
*YES* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But thankfully they are as incompetent at
that as everything else they do.
Wednesday evening, October 16, 2013
Listening to the radio today. From what I
gather, the Reps came to their senses and caved,
and give Big O all he wanted.
Yes, but not until the Reps put up a freak show of shutting down the
government and further shaking the confidence of all investors. There
may be a further downgrade of US credit rating, thanks to the Reps and
the Tea Party treasonists.
Johnny Johnson
2013-10-16 16:04:17 UTC
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In article <C-***@giganews.com>, the disreputable
"mentally incapacitated" former Florida lawyer, and phony Florida "fireman",
Jeffrey Allen McCann says...
Post by Jeff M
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with
amendments as on other Bills. ..."
OK, Jeffy: now show us where in the Constitution the Senate, in complicity
with the White House, has the authority to shut down the government in a
temper tantrum when they don't get their way with their "amendments."

----
"We have to pass the [ObamaCare] bill so that you can find out what is in
it."
--Nancy Pelosi, March 9, 2010

Q: Why is ObamaCare like a turd?
A: You have to pass it to see what's in it.

"ObamaCare: The efficiency of the Post Office; the compassion of the IRS; the
pricing structure of a Pentagon-purchased toilet seat."
Johnny Johnson
2013-10-16 15:56:06 UTC
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In article <***@giganews.com>, the disreputable
"mentally incapacitated" former Florida lawyer, and phony Florida "fireman",
Jeffrey Allen McCann says...
Post by Jeff M
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with
amendments as on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate,
as may a bill raising revenue to support some specific program
and not for the general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of
general revenue must originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990);
TWIN CITY BANK v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
Well, Jeffy; since the White House presented the *fine* for not getting
healthcare insurance under "ObamaDoesn'tCare - the Abominable Care-less Act"
as a "tax" and ObozoCare originated in the Senate, you just proved ObumbaCare
to be unconstitutional from its inception.

Good for you, Jeffy. :)

October 5, 2013 4:00 AM
Obamacare's Unconstitutional Origins
Tax legislation has to originate in the House; the health-care law didn't.
By Andrew C. McCarthy

Of all the fraud perpetrated in the passage of Obamacare --- and the fraud
has been epic --- the lowest is President Obama's latest talking point that
the Supreme Court has endorsed socialized medicine as constitutional. To the
contrary, the justices held the "Affordable" Care Act unconstitutional as
Obama presented it to the American people: namely, as a legitimate exercise
of Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce.

To sustain this monstrosity, Chief Justice John Roberts had to shed his robes
and put on his legislator cap. He rewrote Obamacare as a tax --- the thing
the president most indignantly promised Americans that Obamacare was not. And
it is here that our recent debate over the Constitution's Origination Clause
--- the debate in which Matt Franck, Ramesh Ponnuru, Mark Steyn, and yours
truly have probed the historical boundaries of the "power of the purse"
reposed by the Framers in the House of Representatives --- descends from the
airy realm of abstraction and homes in on a concrete violation of law.

It is not just that the intensely unpopular Obamacare was unconstitutional as
fraudulently portrayed by the president and congressional Democrats who
strong-armed and pot-sweetened its way to passage. It is that Obamacare is
unconstitutional as rewritten by Roberts. It is a violation of the
Origination Clause --- not only as I have expansively construed it, but even
under Matt's narrow interpretation of the Clause.

It is worth pausing here briefly to rehearse an argument often made in these
pages before the Supreme Court ruling two summers ago. The justices'
resolution, whatever it was to be, would in no way be an endorsement of
Obamacare; it would merely reflect the fact that our Constitution, designed
for a free people, permits all manner of foolishness. "Constitutional" does
not necessarily mean "good." What Obamacare always needed was a political
reversal in Congress. Thus, it was unwise for Republicans to become passive
while hoping the justices would do their heavy lifting for them --- both
because it was unlikely that this Supreme Court would invalidate Obamacare
and because a ruling upholding it would inevitably be used by the most
demagogic administration in history as a judicial stamp of approval for
socialized medicine.

Contrary to Obama's latest dissembling, the Supreme Court's decision is far
from an imprimatur. The president insisted that Obamacare was not a tax,
famously upbraiding George Stephanopoulos of the Democratic-Media Complex for
insolently suggesting otherwise. Yet, the narrow Court majority held that the
mammoth statute could be upheld only as an exercise of Congress's power to
tax --- i.e., contrary to Obama's conscriptive theory, it was not within
Congress's commerce power to coerce Americans, as a condition of living in
this country, to purchase a commodity, including health insurance.

Note the crucial qualifier: Obamacare could be upheld only as a tax. Not that
Obamacare is necessarily a legitimate tax. To be a legitimate tax measure,
Obamacare would have to have complied with all the Constitution's conditions
for the imposition of taxes. Because Democrats stubbornly maintained that
their unilateral handiwork was not a tax, its legitimacy vel non as a tax has
not been explored. Indeed, it is because Obamacare's enactment was induced by
fraud --- a massive confiscation masquerading as ordinary regulatory
legislation so Democrats could pretend not to be raising taxes --- that the
chief justice was wrong to rebrand it post facto and thus become a
participant in the fraud.

We now know Obamacare was tax legislation. Consequently, it was undeniably a
"bill for raising revenue," for which the Constitution mandates compliance
with the Origination Clause (Art. I, Sec. 7). The Clause requires that tax
bills must originate in the House of Representatives. Obamacare did not.

If you've followed our recent debate, you know I've argued that the
continuing resolution (CR) --- the legislation at issue in the current
congressional impasse that has partially shut down the government ? violates
the Origination Clause. The Senate presumed to add Obamacare spending to a
House CR bill. I contend that the Origination Clause means that not only tax
bills but government spending bills must originate in the House because the
Clause was intended to vest the House with control over the "power of the
purse." Matt disagrees.

Our dispute over Obamacare spending in the 2013 CR, however, has no bearing
on the Origination Clause analysis of the 2010 Obamacare law itself. The
Affordable Care Act, the Supreme Court has held, was a straightforward tax.
No theorizing about spending is necessary. Everyone agrees that tax-raising
measures must originate in the House.

Obamacare originated in the Senate.

It was introduced in Congress in 2009 by Senate majority leader Harry Reid,
who called it the "Senate health care bill" (a description still touted long
afterwards on Reid's website). Employing the chicanery that marked the
legislation through and through, the Democrat-controlled Senate turned its
3,000-page mega-proposal into a Senate amendment. The Senate attached its
amendment to a nondescript, uncontroversial House bill (the "Service Members
Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009") that had unanimously passed (416?0) in the
lower chamber.

Thanks to the Supreme Court, it is now undeniable that Obamacare was tax
legislation. It was also, by its own proclamation, a bill for raising
revenue. Democrats maintained that the Senate proposal would reduce the
federal budget deficit by $130 billion. More to the point, the bill contained
17 explicit "Revenue Provisions" --- none of which was remotely related to
the House bill to which the Senate proposal was attached.

Therefore, Obamacare is revenue-raising tax legislation, originated in the
Senate in violation of the Constitution.

This has the Obama administration and its Justice Department scrambling.
House conservatives, led by Representative Trent Franks (R., Ariz.), are
pushing an Origination Clause challenge in the federal courts.

Feebly, Attorney General Eric Holder's minions rationalize that, even if the
Senate initiated Obamacare, the House can be said to have "originated" it
because the lower chamber did not object to the Senate's maneuver. This
desperate flyer, though, is easily grounded. Obviously, there was no
objection because the House was then under control of Speaker Nancy Pelosi
and the Democrats. Either they were in on the charade, or --- accepting
Pelosi's curious explanation that the bill had to be passed before anyone
could "find out what is in it" --- they were ignorant of the bill's contents.

More important, though, the lack of a House objection is immaterial. While
the Framers were men of great foresight, their assumption that the
governmental bodies they were creating would zealously defend their
institutional prerogatives did not anticipate modern progressives, for whom
social engineering is a higher priority than constitutional propriety. But
this ideological rationale for failing to assert the House's prerogative does
not matter because the point of the Origination Clause was to vest the power
of the purse in the people. The privilege to originate spending belongs to
us, not to Ms. Pelosi.

The House's default is not a waiver by the people. Moreover, it is not even
clear that then-speaker Pelosi was derelict in not raising an origination
objection. After all, (a) proponents were adamant that Obamacare was not tax
legislation (i.e., maybe Pelosi actually believed the president); and (b)
Pelosi indicated that she was in the dark about the legislation's contents
(i.e., waivers of constitutional prerogatives have to be knowing and
voluntary --- rights cannot be forfeited in ignorance).

Representative Franks has introduced a resolution (H.R. 153) expressing the
sense of the House of Representatives that the Obamacare legislation clearly
violated the Origination Clause. The measure is gaining momentum. As it
rapidly picks up co-signers, the resolution should materially advance the
cases filed against Obamacare, including one to be argued this fall in the
D.C. Circuit federal appeals court. After all, if a statute violates the
Origination Clause, it is a nullity --- invalid from the moment of enactment.

Nevertheless, Republicans should not make the same mistake they made during
prior legal challenges to Obamacare. This is not a time for leaders once
again to sit idly by with fingers crossed, praying that judges do the heavy
lifting for them. The legerdemain that characterized Obamacare's passage,
coupled with its patent lack of constitutional legitimacy, should stiffen the
resolve of the House to refuse funding --- as it is the House's prerogative
to do.

Once again, the president is not telling the truth about Obamacare. The
Supreme Court did not endorse it. The Supreme Court said it could only
conceivably be sustained as a tax. It still had to pass the Constitution's
tests for valid taxation. It failed.

---
Andrew C. McCarthy is a senior fellow at the National Review Institute. He is
the author, most recently, of Spring Fever: The Illusion of Islamic
Democracy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/360460/obamacares-unconstitutional-
origins-andrew-c-mccarthy

"We have to pass the [ObamaCare] bill so that you can find out what is in
it."
--Nancy Pelosi, March 9, 2010

Q: Why is ObamaCare like a turd?
A: You have to pass it to see what's in it.

"ObamaCare: The efficiency of the Post Office; the compassion of the IRS; the
pricing structure of a Pentagon-purchased toilet seat."
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 18:23:58 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
You are confused. You owe money and you pay the bill. Nothing to do with
Constitution. No consession to treasonous assclowns demanding tax cuts
and tax loopholes.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 19:51:11 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
You are confused. You owe money and you pay the bill. Nothing to do with
Constitution. No consession to treasonous assclowns demanding tax cuts
and tax loopholes.
You are confuse... there's plenty of money to pay the existing bills,
what isn't there is the money to make new bills. You can't borrow if
you don't intend to pay. So Obama Borrowing money to pay Soldiers
families their death benefits was the TREASONOUS ACT and
unconstitutional I might add.

So any new costs or projects or new expenses are cut to zero.

The bills will be paid, what won't get paid is NEW expensive and
unnecessary programs like ObamaCare and WELFARE and BUYING friends with
BILLIONS of dollars in AID.....
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 20:10:45 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Jeff M
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with Mr.
Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the Federal
government spends.
I suggest that YOU study up on the Constitution, specifically Article I,
"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of
Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as
on other Bills. ..."
Legislation authorizing SPENDING may originate in the Senate, as may a
bill raising revenue to support some specific program and not for the
general revenue. Only TAX bills for the raising of general revenue must
originate in the House.
See: UNITED STATES v. MUNOZ-FLORES, 495 U.S. 385 (1990); TWIN CITY BANK
v. NEBEKER, 167 U.S. 196 (1897).
[snip]
You are confused. You owe money and you pay the bill. Nothing to do with
Constitution. No consession to treasonous assclowns demanding tax cuts
and tax loopholes.
You are confuse... there's plenty of money to pay the existing bills,
what isn't there is the money to make new bills. You can't borrow if
you don't intend to pay. So Obama Borrowing money to pay Soldiers
families their death benefits was the TREASONOUS ACT and
unconstitutional I might add.
So any new costs or projects or new expenses are cut to zero.
The bills will be paid, what won't get paid is NEW expensive and
unnecessary programs like ObamaCare and WELFARE and BUYING friends with
BILLIONS of dollars in AID.....
The Republican Bush administration racked up the bills and send the
soldiers to die in costly and unnecessary wars. The soldiers died in
serving the country to fight the illegal wars the Republicans have
started. Now you say paying death benefits to those soldiers' families
is a TREASONOUS ACT?

Stop spending money on wars. Spend money back home on infrastructure and
healthcare.

Pay the bills the you have racked up, Congress.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 15:07:18 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
Obama has a choice.... he can accept the funding bill that is offered
or he can pay the penalty.

So far Obama chose the Penalty, that's the same choice I made about
OBamaCare, I'll pay a penalty rather than having the bill rammed down my
throat. funny that Obama thinks doing it to me is OK but doing it to
him is "EXTORTION", So why isn't it extortion when ObamaCare tells me
to Buy teh insurance or PAY the Penalty and yet when that happens to
Obama suddenly he sees that it's extortion?

Is that the mark of an ignorant man or what?


So in the end Obama had the same choice that he gave all of us with
ObamaCare. Obama's having to accept what was passed by congress or pay
the penalty and that is *POETIC JUSTICE*
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 19:53:43 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
Obama has a choice.... he can accept the funding bill that is offered
or he can pay the penalty.
So far Obama chose the Penalty, that's the same choice I made about
OBamaCare, I'll pay a penalty rather than having the bill rammed down my
throat. funny that Obama thinks doing it to me is OK but doing it to
him is "EXTORTION", So why isn't it extortion when ObamaCare tells me
to Buy teh insurance or PAY the Penalty and yet when that happens to
Obama suddenly he sees that it's extortion?
Is that the mark of an ignorant man or what?
So in the end Obama had the same choice that he gave all of us with
ObamaCare. Obama's having to accept what was passed by congress or pay
the penalty and that is *POETIC JUSTICE*
The Republican Congress has to pay the bills the Republican Bush has
racked up or face revolt in the 2014 elections. They can kiss their ass
goodbye and go back home to cry.
BeamMeUpScotty
2013-10-16 23:55:51 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
Obama has a choice.... he can accept the funding bill that is offered
or he can pay the penalty.
So far Obama chose the Penalty, that's the same choice I made about
OBamaCare, I'll pay a penalty rather than having the bill rammed down my
throat. funny that Obama thinks doing it to me is OK but doing it to
him is "EXTORTION", So why isn't it extortion when ObamaCare tells me
to Buy teh insurance or PAY the Penalty and yet when that happens to
Obama suddenly he sees that it's extortion?
Is that the mark of an ignorant man or what?
So in the end Obama had the same choice that he gave all of us with
ObamaCare. Obama's having to accept what was passed by congress or pay
the penalty and that is *POETIC JUSTICE*
The Republican Congress has to pay the bills the Republican Bush has
racked up or face revolt in the 2014 elections. They can kiss their ass
goodbye and go back home to cry.
Obama and Harry Reid refuse to accept the House attempt to pay for
Bush's wars....


NOW Obama and the Senate need to pay for ObamaCare.
Stormin Mormon
2013-10-17 10:43:33 UTC
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Post by BeamMeUpScotty
Obama and Harry Reid refuse to accept
the House attempt to pay for
Bush's wars....
NOW Obama and the Senate need to pay for ObamaCare.
And the only money they have, was forced from the
working tax payers by threats of IRS action.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-16 18:22:01 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with
Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.
The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.
On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.
The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
The GOP Bush and his gang of thugs racked up the bill. You owe money and
you pay the bill. Simple as that. Treanonous assclowns in GOP have no
rights to demand tax concessions for the rich in order to pass the budget.
Scout
2013-10-17 09:59:42 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with
Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.
The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.
On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.
The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
The GOP Bush and his gang of thugs racked up the bill. You owe money and
you pay the bill. Simple as that. Treanonous assclowns in GOP have no
rights to demand tax concessions for the rich in order to pass the budget.
That's rather interesting since if you check the numbers the Democrats ran
up more debt than the GOP when they controlled either House of Congress,
Both Houses of Congress or they controlled Congress and the Presidency.

In the end though both sides share blame for excessive spending and our
massive debt, so when exactly can we expect serious plans to address either?
Stormin Mormon
2013-10-17 10:45:19 UTC
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Post by Scout
That's rather interesting since if you check the numbers the Democrats
ran up more debt than the GOP when they controlled either House of
Congress, Both Houses of Congress or they controlled Congress and the
Presidency.
In the end though both sides share blame for excessive spending and our
massive debt, so when exactly can we expect serious plans to address either?
When the tea party is elected.


.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Jeff M
2013-10-17 15:52:46 UTC
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Post by Stormin Mormon
Post by Scout
That's rather interesting since if you check the numbers the Democrats
ran up more debt than the GOP when they controlled either House of
Congress, Both Houses of Congress or they controlled Congress and the
Presidency.
In the end though both sides share blame for excessive spending and our
massive debt, so when exactly can we expect serious plans to address either?
When the tea party is elected.
So never, then?
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“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification
for selfishness.” - John Kenneth Galbraith
Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 11:09:44 UTC
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Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with
Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.
The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.
On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.
The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
The GOP Bush and his gang of thugs racked up the bill. You owe money
and you pay the bill. Simple as that. Treanonous assclowns in GOP have
no rights to demand tax concessions for the rich in order to pass the
budget.
That's rather interesting since if you check the numbers the Democrats
ran up more debt than the GOP when they controlled either House of
Congress, Both Houses of Congress or they controlled Congress and the
Presidency.
In the end though both sides share blame for excessive spending and our
massive debt, so when exactly can we expect serious plans to address either?
The US is on the verge of financial ruin as a result of 70 years of
military misadventure after WWII, following the foot steps of Rome and
the USSR. The money poured into the military-industrial complex is
draining the coffer of the country dry. Cut the military spending to
feed the poor and rebuild the infrastructure of the country instead of
spending 2 trillion dollars a year to fight a bogeyman enemy created to
justify the wanton military spending.
Scout
2013-10-17 16:13:20 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with
Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.
The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.
On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.
The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
The GOP Bush and his gang of thugs racked up the bill. You owe money
and you pay the bill. Simple as that. Treanonous assclowns in GOP have
no rights to demand tax concessions for the rich in order to pass the
budget.
That's rather interesting since if you check the numbers the Democrats
ran up more debt than the GOP when they controlled either House of
Congress, Both Houses of Congress or they controlled Congress and the
Presidency.
In the end though both sides share blame for excessive spending and our
massive debt, so when exactly can we expect serious plans to address either?
The US is on the verge of financial ruin as a result of 70 years of
military misadventure after WWII,
And social programs and international aid, and giving away our technology
and industrial processes and methods to others....

Interesting how you refuse to even consider those things....
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Mighty Wannabe
2013-10-17 18:22:00 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with
Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.
The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.
On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.
The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
The GOP Bush and his gang of thugs racked up the bill. You owe money
and you pay the bill. Simple as that. Treanonous assclowns in GOP have
no rights to demand tax concessions for the rich in order to pass the
budget.
That's rather interesting since if you check the numbers the Democrats
ran up more debt than the GOP when they controlled either House of
Congress, Both Houses of Congress or they controlled Congress and the
Presidency.
In the end though both sides share blame for excessive spending and our
massive debt, so when exactly can we expect serious plans to address either?
The US is on the verge of financial ruin as a result of 70 years of
military misadventure after WWII,
And social programs and international aid, and giving away our
technology and industrial processes and methods to others....
Interesting how you refuse to even consider those things....
The government is elected by the people to run the country for the
people. Social programs are for the people. Don't forget people paid
into unemployment insurance and social security through payroll deductions.

The GOP is the keenest on wasting people's money to buy friendly tyrants
and prop up friendly dictators in foreign land.

You don't own the technology and industrial processes. All your
companies are privately owned, remember? They are multinational
corporations and they move wherever they can market their technology for
profit. Those are "globalists".
Scout
2013-10-17 22:29:05 UTC
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Post by Mighty Wannabe
Post by Mighty Wannabe
Treasonous Republicans are responsible for shutting down the US
<snip>
Your inability to understand the United States Constitution in
conjunction with the the United States Senate and the President of
the United States, doesn't create a burden on Usenet readers with
Mr. Knickerbocker's attempt at explaining a popularity poll.
Study up on the Constitution, boy, and you might learn that the
Executive and Senate DO NOT decide on how much or on what the
Federal government spends.
The Executive branch, in a coordinated attack with the Senate is
attempting to usurp the House's Constitutional authority.
The shut down and now the pending default on the 1.17 trillion owned
to the Chinese, 17 trillion owned world wide, falls directly on the
shoulders of the Executive branch and the Democrats in the Senate.
On the upside, once the default occurs, the Democrats will NEVER be
able to borrow on the "good faith and credit of the United States"
again.
The grim reaper is standing at the door, what will the Democrats do?
Rock, meet hard place.
The GOP Bush and his gang of thugs racked up the bill. You owe money
and you pay the bill. Simple as that. Treanonous assclowns in GOP have
no rights to demand tax concessions for the rich in order to pass the
budget.
That's rather interesting since if you check the numbers the Democrats
ran up more debt than the GOP when they controlled either House of
Congress, Both Houses of Congress or they controlled Congress and the
Presidency.
In the end though both sides share blame for excessive spending and our
massive debt, so when exactly can we expect serious plans to address either?
The US is on the verge of financial ruin as a result of 70 years of
military misadventure after WWII,
And social programs and international aid, and giving away our
technology and industrial processes and methods to others....
Interesting how you refuse to even consider those things....
The government is elected by the people to run the country for the people.
Social programs are for the people.
So is the military.

If that's your argument, then it just sank what you claim is the basis of
our problems.

Now, do you have a RATIONAL point to make, or are you limited to whining?
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