On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:54:35 -0600, G. Morgan
Post by G. Morgan Post by Steve from Colorado Post by Steve from Colorado
Obama has promised to try to destroy the Second Amendment and deny
Americans the liberty to own firearms.
That has to do with arms exports, not privately held firearms
domestically. This has been discussed before, and the same conclusion
was reached - it does not affect your 2nd rights.
Q: In 2008, you stated you wanted to keep AK-47s out of the hands of
OBAMA: We're a nation that believes in the Second Amendment, and I
believe in the Second Amendment. We've got a long tradition of hunting
and sportsmen and people who want to make sure they can protect
themselves. My belief is that we have to enforce the laws we've
already got, make sure that we're keeping guns out of the hands of
criminals, those who are mentally ill. We've done a much better job in
terms of background checks, but we've got more to do when it comes to
enforcement. But weapons that were designed for soldiers in war
theaters don't belong on our streets. Part of it is seeing if we can
get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also
looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home
town of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence and they're not
using AK-47s. They're using cheap hand guns.
Source: Second Obama-Romney 2012 debate , Oct 16, 2012
Hale DeMar, a 52-year-old Wilmette resident, was arrested and charged
with misdemeanor violations for shooting, in the shoulder and leg, a
burglar who broke into his home not once, but twice. Cook County
prosecutors dropped all charges against DeMar.
In March 2004, the Illinois Senate passed Senate Bill 2165, a law
introduced in response to DeMar's case, with provisions designed to
assert a right of citizens to protect themselves against home
invasions, such that self-defense requirements would be viewed to take
precedence over local ordinances against handgun possession. The
measure passed the Illinois Senate by a vote of 38-20. Barack Obama
was one of the 20 state senators voting against the measure.
Governor Rod Blagojevich vetoed the bill. On Nov. 9, 2004, the
Illinois Senate voted 40-18 to override Blagojevich's veto. Again,
Obama acted against the bill.
On Nov. 17, the Illinois House voted overwhelmingly, 85-30, to
override the governor's veto and Senate Bill 2165 became law.
Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 , Aug 1, 2008
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with
an individuals right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an
individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual
right does not mean that the state or local government cant constrain
the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to
private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances
that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of
illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that
criminals dont have guns in their hands. We can make certain that
those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We
can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun
dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had
been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of
handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, No, my writing wasnt on that
particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out
ban on handguns.
Actually, Obamas writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed
when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago
nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and
Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obamas campaign said, Sen. Obama didnt fill out these state Senate
questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that
didnt reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on
the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didnt reflect
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate ,
Apr 16, 2008
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, I have no intention of taking away folks
guns. But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and youve said that its
constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country.
I think its important for us to recognize that weve got a tradition
of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of
law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for
protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that
is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is
nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those
illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various
loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the
mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure
that I think respect the Second Amendment and peoples traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview , Feb 11, 2008
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and
registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I dont think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to
provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law
enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that
have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I
intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it
comes to guns, in this country. Youve got the tradition of lawful gun
ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt,
fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then youve got
the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on
the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making
sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to
lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds
of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas , Jan 15, 2008
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he
cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not
pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in
cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police
officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 , Oct 30, 2007
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1
cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all
of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year
alone, in Chicago, weve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned
down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We
know what to do. Weve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the
books. Weve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers arent
loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know
theyre not made in our communities. There arent any gun
manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we
also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we
care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago whove been
shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. Thats a mindset that we
have to have in the White House and we dont have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum , Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our
leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturers lobby. But I
also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a
crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of
morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we
need to acknowledge that theres a hole in his heart, one that
government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 , Oct 1, 2006
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The
gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should
pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons.
You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the
law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess thats good
enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have
allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken
OBAMA: Lets be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun
control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not
believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the
possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one
purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president
did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes , Oct
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test ,
Jul 2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or
continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers
of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief
resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer
a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical
injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions
pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor
piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who
engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ;
vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005
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became an operative working with Democrats. With Democrats all you
have to do is make a lot of noise, lay out the hay, and be ready to
use the ole cattle prod in case a few want to bolt the herd.
Eighty percent of the people who call themselves Democrats dont have
a clue as to political reality.
What amazes me is that you could take a group of people who are hard
workers and convince them that they should support social programs
that were the exact opposite of their own personal convictions. Put a
little fear here and there and you can get people to vote any way you
The voter is basically dumb and lazy. The reason I became a Democratic
operative instead of a Republican was because there were more
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