Questions about burn injuries from oxyacetylene flames

[Radium]

Hi:

Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.

If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?

If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?

Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.


Thanks,

Radium

[Auriga]

Try it and report the results back to this group. It sounds similar
to something the SS did in Auschwitz. I am sure all the
SM's will be interested. Oh, you will probably go into shock first,
it will give you enough time to type a response.

[Harold and Susan Vordos]

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.
Thanks,
Radium

The only thing I can tell you about an oxy/acet flame is that if one is
waved past your elbow, in direct contact, but just VERY briefly, you'll
receive a burn that will take one hell of a long time to heal.

Don't ask!

Harold

[Jim Stewart]

Post by Harold and Susan Vordos

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.
Thanks,
Radium

The only thing I can tell you about an oxy/acet flame is that if one is
waved past your elbow, in direct contact, but just VERY briefly, you'll
receive a burn that will take one hell of a long time to heal.
Don't ask!

What Harold said. When I was in high school shop
class (in Cle Elum Harold, know where that's at?)
I made th foolish mistake of passing my hand about
2" in front of a neutral oxy/ace flame. It was only
a 0 or 1 tip, but it gave me a 2nd degree burn bigger
than a silver dollar and a mandatory trip to the
doctor. And it took about 2 weeks to stop hurting.

[Ignoramus8031]

Also, the OP can get all his answers with a O/A rig, a piece of pork
and a meat thermometer.

My guess is that after a few seconds, the area where the burn directly
touches the body, will sto hurting due to nerve damage.

i

[John]

Post by Harold and Susan Vordos

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.
Thanks,
Radium

The only thing I can tell you about an oxy/acet flame is that if one is
waved past your elbow, in direct contact, but just VERY briefly, you'll
receive a burn that will take one hell of a long time to heal.
Don't ask!
Harold

If he is at all smart he will try it on a piece of chicken first. Never
did it to myself but I burn myself enough with other stuff to go looking
for more pain.

John

[DBC Pyrotechnics]

If I am not the only one concerned by this post then there are some sick
people out there. As to the "scientific" side of the issue, there are dozens
of variables to consider such as distance to target from end of flame, exact
flame temp, thickness of flesh at point of "impact" as it were, age of
subject, fitness of subject (in regards to the heart failure), and so on.
But unless you are the next Hitler, I would be concerned either way as to
why you would ask such a question.

Rian
DBC Pyrotechnics
www.dbcpyrotechnics.com

" Everyone is entitled to be stupid but you're abusing the privilege."

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.
Thanks,
Radium

[Radium]

Post by DBC Pyrotechnics
If I am not the only one concerned by this post then there are some sick
people out there. As to the "scientific" side of the issue, there are dozens
of variables to consider such as distance to target from end of flame, exact
flame temp, thickness of flesh at point of "impact" as it were, age of
subject, fitness of subject (in regards to the heart failure), and so on.
But unless you are the next Hitler, I would be concerned either way as to
why you would ask such a question.

I am interested in cases where thermal-burns [without associated non-
thermal injuries (such as smoke inhalation or blast injury)] -- caused
only by direct open contact with charless, ashless, sootless, ember-
less, smokeless, non-toxic, non-explosive flames [but no heat source
other than the flames] -- did not cause any significant suffering in
the otherwise-healthy victim [who also does not develop post-burn
infection], despite the victim being fully-conscious, awake, & alert
and not having any medical conditions that would eliminate or decrease
perception of pain.

[h***@yahoo.com]

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Post by Radium

Post by DBC Pyrotechnics
If I am not the only one concerned by this post then there are some sick
people out there. As to the "scientific" side of the issue, there are dozens
of variables to consider such as distance to target from end of flame, exact
flame temp, thickness of flesh at point of "impact" as it were, age of
subject, fitness of subject (in regards to the heart failure), and so on.
But unless you are the next Hitler, I would be concerned either way as to
why you would ask such a question.

I am interested in cases where thermal-burns [without associated non-
thermal injuries (such as smoke inhalation or blast injury)] -- caused
only by direct open contact with charless, ashless, sootless, ember-
less, smokeless, non-toxic, non-explosive flames [but no heat source
other than the flames] -- did not cause any significant suffering in
the otherwise-healthy victim [who also does not develop post-burn
infection], despite the victim being fully-conscious, awake, & alert
and not having any medical conditions that would eliminate or decrease
perception of pain.

Actually Radium, what you are is a totally clueless idiot and
potentialy psychopath that generally posts your infestation in
sci.physics. Why you jave elected to crosspost you psychopathic babble
to rec.pyrotechnics beats the hell out of me me, because it is obvious
to all that you are totally clueless about both plysics and
pyrotechnics. In fact, I doubt that you even know what this group is
about.

Maybe it's simply because idiot posters like you have essentially
destroyed sci.physics, you want to move on to virgin turf, but be
warned asshold, there are folks here that will gladly cut you a new
one, and take pleasure in doing so. Now go away, and take your minless
gibberish somewhere else. Oh, wait a minite, we have a poster named
Joe Smith who posts here frequently. You and he may get along well
together since both of you appear to be of the same mindset. Give me
a chance, and I will email you his address. I believe that you and he
might just get along well together, since both of your minds appear to
operate roughly on the same wavelength.

Harry C.

[jk]

Sounds like a lawyer trying to weasel a way out of paying a claim.

Post by Radium

Post by DBC Pyrotechnics
If I am not the only one concerned by this post then there are some sick
people out there. As to the "scientific" side of the issue, there are dozens
of variables to consider such as distance to target from end of flame, exact
flame temp, thickness of flesh at point of "impact" as it were, age of
subject, fitness of subject (in regards to the heart failure), and so on.
But unless you are the next Hitler, I would be concerned either way as to
why you would ask such a question.

I am interested in cases where thermal-burns [without associated non-
thermal injuries (such as smoke inhalation or blast injury)] -- caused
only by direct open contact with charless, ashless, sootless, ember-
less, smokeless, non-toxic, non-explosive flames [but no heat source
other than the flames] -- did not cause any significant suffering in
the otherwise-healthy victim [who also does not develop post-burn
infection], despite the victim being fully-conscious, awake, & alert
and not having any medical conditions that would eliminate or decrease
perception of pain.

jk

[cobalt]

-SNIP->caused

Post by Radium
only by direct open contact with charless, ashless, sootless, ember-
less, smokeless, non-toxic, non-explosive flames -SNIP-

There is no such thing.

Regards, Mark

[Salmon Egg]

On 7/15/07 9:25 PM, in article

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.

We should be so lucky.

Bill
-- Fermez le Bush--less than 18 months to go.

[none2u]

Post by Salmon Egg
On 7/15/07 9:25 PM, in article

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.

We should be so lucky.
Bill
-- Fermez le Bush--less than 18 months to go.

Post by Radium
I cant answer your questions scientifically. There's really no need for
this research. Its probably illegal. There is plenty of medical
documentation and photos on burns. But I do have a huge amount of
experience with oxyacetylene torches. And radiated heat that causes
burns . Hot steel, welders, gamma rays, ect. All I can say is it hurts
bad. And will continue to do so. I don't think a painless burn exists.
Any type of oxy acetylene flame will immediately cause 3rd degree burns
if you stick it to you. 2nd is highly probable from the heat alone at a
distance. Any glowing steel gives off radiation. If you put the neutral
flame inside an enclosed area, its more like an incinerator. Shock and
death should be immediate. No one will live if a flame enters your head
or chest cavity. I,m not talking about people who have had limbs
surgically removed after burns. The surgery removed the burn and the
possibility of infection. The body sacrifices limbs to survive. Flame
infection will finish you. People cant live burned all over their skin.
let alone internally.

[Myal]

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.
Thanks,
Radium

I do stuff like that for the science of it too , I dont do it for the
kick I get from seeing people suffering , pissing their selves in terror
as they beg to be let live ...

yeah , its just for the science of it ....

seriously tho , if you look up some of the "studies" done under Hitlers
rule , you will find answers to this and a lot more interesting
questions you havent thought of asking yet .

regards

[spartono'dan]

On Jul 16, 3:17 am, Myal <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
I bet if they were to start giving the violent crime victim, or the
victim's next of kin 10 minutes in a room alone with any tool of
choice, with the criminal tied to a chair, we'd have some pretty good
statistics.
We would have a broad range of statistics, plus a lot less prisons.
Dan

Post by Myal

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.
Thanks,
Radium

I do stuff like that for the science of it too , I dont do it for the
kick I get from seeing people suffering , pissing their selves in terror
as they beg to be let live ...
yeah , its just for the science of it ....
seriously tho , if you look up some of the "studies" done under Hitlers
rule , you will find answers to this and a lot more interesting
questions you havent thought of asking yet .
regards- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

[Myal]

Post by spartono'dan
I bet if they were to start giving the violent crime victim, or the
victim's next of kin 10 minutes in a room alone with any tool of
choice, with the criminal tied to a chair, we'd have some pretty good
statistics.
We would have a broad range of statistics, plus a lot less prisons.
Dan

Ever considered running for pres ?

Post by spartono'dan

Post by Myal

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.
Thanks,
Radium

I do stuff like that for the science of it too , I dont do it for the
kick I get from seeing people suffering , pissing their selves in terror
as they beg to be let live ...
yeah , its just for the science of it ....
seriously tho , if you look up some of the "studies" done under Hitlers
rule , you will find answers to this and a lot more interesting
questions you havent thought of asking yet .
regards- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

[Mike]

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.

Let me guess, you work at Guantanamo Bay and some guests are proving,
shall we say, a little difficult?


--

[Tom Gardner]

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.

I recommend a mustard based sauce. You're better off "low & slow".

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Post by Tom Gardner

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.

I recommend a mustard based sauce. You're better off "low & slow".

Dang SC rebel! Yucckkk on Maurice's yellow sauce! NO sauce till it's done,
then red sauce.

24-hours, 160F, two wheelbarrowsful of wood, three six packs, and a good
book make Gooooooood Barbeque.


LLoyd
(Barbeque ain't grillin')

[Don T.]

Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh

Post by Tom Gardner

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.

I recommend a mustard based sauce. You're better off "low & slow".

Dang SC rebel! Yucckkk on Maurice's yellow sauce! NO sauce till it's
done, then red sauce.
24-hours, 160F, two wheelbarrowsful of wood, three six packs, and a good
book make Gooooooood Barbeque.
LLoyd
(Barbeque ain't grillin')

I like to start with Mesquite and finish with a mix of Apple, Cherry, and
Peach. On a COLD Brisket the Mesquite smoke condenses like water on a glass
full of Iced beverage and gives an excellent flavor as it sinks in and
permeates the meat, over the next 20 or so hours the meat gets hot enough
that not much more of the smoke will condense but the dense fruitwood smoke
end continues to modify and "sweeten" the meat. Be sure to lay the Brisket
in the chamber fat side up and when done skin the outer 1/4 inch of black
crust from the Brisket. The interior will be tender enough to cut with a
dull spoon and sauce is, quite frankly, optional.
--
Don Thompson

Stolen from Dan: "Just thinking, besides, I watched 2 dogs mating once,
and that makes me an expert. "

There is nothing more frightening than active ignorance.
~Goethe

It is a worthy thing to fight for one's freedom;
it is another sight finer to fight for another man's.
~Mark Twain

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Michael A. Terrell]

Radium wrote:
Don't waste your time.

[Notan]

Post by Radium
Let's say and oxy-acetylene neutral flame is aimed at me at close
range.
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my forehead, how long will the
pain last? How long will it take to lose consciousness [from direct
thermal injury to brain]? How long to die from thermal brain injury?
If the fire is aimed at the middle of my chest, how long will it take
for the flames to burn into my heart? How long to become unconscious -
due to brain anoxia from heat-induced cardiac failure? How long to die
from thermal heart injury?
Please don't be disturbed by my questions. I have no applications in
them. I am just in it for the science.

Here we go again... More of your moronic posts.

A full thickness burn is a full thickness burn is a full thickness burn,
regardless of the source.